Dear All
Just a wild thought that what if the TTP were able to control pakistan. What would be the future like.
We all talk about the oppression of women, no human rights, beheadings etc etc
but
Will there be any good in that, what about destruction of feudalism under them, end of oppression of Police and army etc
Please dont shoot the messenger just my wild thoughts
FJ
sasherwani
Members
there will be no future..
mjkk86
Member
will never happen so stop dreaming about it.
LalBichoo
Blocked
lolzzzz
FJ Bhai, kiya aaap ko yaad nahi Taliban kay zamanay may Afghistan may doodh kee nehrain behti theeen or Ravi chain heee chain likhta thaa :)))
mjkk86
Astaghfirullah, Why would I be dreaming about TTP overtaking Pakistan.
Read again
"Please dont shoot the messenger just my wild thoughts"
FJ
zalaan
Blocked
I will try to get asylum in Israel ,US ,UK ,India ,china and Europe
mjkk86
Member
@zalan
in israel?
zalaan
Blocked
If a state can give me peace ,security and freedom to practice the religion I can move there ,In Taliban state there will be fear ,no security ,no freedom to practice the religion ,Masajids would become terror camps and torture cells ,then I would like to move for that Talibani state to any where in the world which is give me security ,peace ,equal rights and freedom .
RajputPuttar
Member
very right zalaan.
One more point to add
Is Taliban is the concern only for educated people like you and me, for rich politicians, power hungry Civil and military bureaucracy,blood sucking Feudals and business elite.
or is it also a concern for millions of oppressed poor people of pakistan, for Haaris, for Mazdoors, for angry and disillusioned youth.
What if these millions starts to see TTP as the only alternative for them, only way out from their situation etc etc
FJ
zalaan
Blocked
No one is looking Taliban as an alternative ,The poor and oppressed people like to leave Pakistan and want to settle in the West . for them the western model and their countries is alternative not Taliban .
zalaan
are you sure about that. why is that we are seeing the rise of TTP in areas of pakistan (esp south Punjab)which are most deprived and backword areas
FJ
SufiSoul
Member
I have lil different view.
Pakistanis are self sufficient about top class religious scholars in almost every sect.
If these scholars are given the task to develop a modern ISLAMIC system for the people of Pakistan they will not disappoint us in any field of life.
Taliban get voilanet due to the resistance they are facing from Pakistan otherwise our constitution says it all about Implementation of Islamic orders.
Yes liberals would have to bear some serious consequencies after Islamic rulings.
First of all thier girls will have to take hijab while going out(cuz they think hijab is hurdle between Islam and modren Islam,and they dont accept it haram to be without hijab).
Five time Salat arrangement would always be difficult for munafiqs one.(i am not mentioning any one as munafiq here but Hadeese qudsi mentioned the same as,munafiq will never get to adopt 5 times namaz)..So may be they start crying.
Open public food in Ramazan may be completly banned and amke the roza khore moderen cry.
Islamic punishments about zina,killing and other hodod matters may make them cry as limiting to own wives are never possible for many of the people called themselves muslims.
So this country would be like a jail for some minority and it is obvious that they will start different HEELAS about rules Implementation e.g basic human rights slogans,under cruel Islam slogan,Under human dis grace slogan..
One thing is agreed that country will be like a jail for these people after TALIBAN ARRIVAL.So such type would like them to come and Implement Islam..
BUT BAKRY KI MAAN KAB TAK KHAIR MANAYE GI..
After the implementation these laws situation,
Killings would be suddenly dropped in Pakistan to only one kill in a year..
Theft/dacoities would be 5 in a year.
Women abuses will drop to 0/year.
Curruption will drop to negligible/year.
Looting of country will be 0/year.
Justice will never take more than two months to decide a case.
Sharab,Pan,Naswar,and other drugs would drop to 0/year.
No ZULAM cases by landlord to his farmers would be /year..
Landlords have to divide thier land between poor farmers..
Nawaz sharif if not running abroad should have to keep just one mill and divide the others ones to poor.
Same will be the case for NRO Zadgan to divide and distribute thier wealth between poors..
Pakistanis ahve 300 billion Dollars abrod of looting money and that will be tried to bring back..
China,Saudi Arabia friend would be more deepened and provide sound basis for future projects...
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West will cry and will ultimatly make Pakistani people same like GAZA of pelistine as a punishment to allow and accept ISLAM AS a rule of law....
NOW tell me what should be the reaction of the people of Pakistan against such EVILS.....
1.either they will resist.
2.or they will cry to accept the west and will have fear of future HUNGER,due to west planning....
RajputPuttar
Member
SufiSoul
Hazarat u forgot to mention the increase in 'faaile quom loot' :)
If TTP become successful then their will be no schools in Pakistan left and we would be forced to grow beard as they implement that in Afghanistan and also in tribal agencies as well....Those who dont follow them will be killed and their will be massacre of those sects whos beliefs are different from Taliban sects.
SufiSoul
Member
Who will be the supporter for Taliban in Pakistan????
1.PMLN its much clear now.
2.Almost all the religious Parties including specifically Mahirul Qadri Party.
3.Imran khan, would speak towards lil modren approach too.
4.All the Ulema will finally have thier places in Shura Taliban.
5.Hakeemullah mehsud would be advised by Ulema to spend some time in college and learn english and other languages cuz in such a system illitrate people would be replaced by educated Ulema(both deeni and asry)..
Pakistan under Taliban?
SufiSoul
Member
yahya in pakistan people are not that much ZIDDI like of afghanistan.
SO afghanistan like rules of ZABARDASTI would not be implemented here..
Pakistanis are accomodating people and would say people in LAHORE STREETS."me thy pehly hi talban de naal saan zardari,rehman malak sanoo khraab ker daitha si....
Same is the case with barailvis and thier Ulema they will accept "mint thoon pehly Talban rule in Pakistan and Hakeemullah would be thier Amirul Momineen...
I know Barailvi and i think most of the people should know barailvi mentality.......
mjkk86
Member
@farigh jazbati
i knew it was coming, look talibans never been concern for anyone prior to war on terror because pakistanis never been influenced by talibans but the sympathy of our army, ji, jui and vast majority living in nwfp gave them way to get stronger.
i don't think if there is any single person or party is to blame for all this, put this way it was mendatory to support them during zia era to keep pakistan safe and later these jehadis fought in kashmir which kept india's mouth shut for a while, now answer to you question is yes majority of us are concern including poor, labour, harworking middleclass because we love our religion more than anything else but we also love our culture and ideology of taliban may look similar to ours in relation to religion(obviously force, violence, criminal activities of some are unacceptable) but surely diffrent in regards to our culture.trouble is murder make a headline and stabbing got no place on tv unfortunately this is how it works, media created hype people thought that talibans are getting dominant but in reality it's never been the case people still don't agree with them and still don't vote their sympathiser.
finally, nothing wrong with talibans rulling us if majority thinks that way but we all know that pakistan is not a place of 18 crore wahabis or deobandis so it will never happen.
achtung
Member
merey khial mei, agar TTP kamyab ho gai to
baqi dunya hamei khatra samjhe gi
hamari nuclear facilities ko malyamate kar dia jaee ga
mulk mei ghurbat aam ho jaee gi
ham sari dunya sey kat jaee gay
bhook aur iflas barh jae ga
idwiat napaid ho jaee gi
loot maar shru ho jae gi
mulk mei jungle ka ya mullah ka qanoon ho ga
ghair mulki afwaj kutch hisso par qabza kar ley gi
afghanistan ki tarah mulk par bambari ho gi
bijli napaid ho jaee gi
school aur university tabah ho jae gay
berozgari khatarnak had tak barh jae gi
tamam siasi leadron ko phansi par charha diya jaey ga
ttp waley harris ko bhi nahee choorei gay
MAGAR TTP KABHI KAMYAB NAHEE HO SAKTI
I am pretty sure, that will never happen, but I am gutted by even just the thought of that.
Anyway, I don't really know what good will come after they takeover, but I know the first thing in their to-do list will be to behead those who do not subscribe to their school of thought.
SufiSoul
Member
Our most of the culture is of CHARTY SOORAJ K PUJARI LOG....
Why ruling Part always get more seats than opposition???
The history is that people from saraiki belt,Baluchistan,Afghanistan always resisted any attacker.Rest of the people are good to accept any one as RULER even a non-muslim...
This fact is well known that most of the religious Parties are specially barailvis are CHORI K MAJNON..
tHEY ALWAYS READY TO ACCEPT ANY RULER as Amirul Momineen i-e even Musharraf like guy..
Remaining part of muslims over here are mostly KAGHAZI SHER and Qalmi sher....
This is historical mentality of our people i am describing...
People like barailvi sect would be the front line heroes in accepting Taliban brothers rulings..MARK MY WORDS..
Why Mahirul Qadri not issuing Fatwa before against Suicide attacks cuz they were expecting Taliban as sudden rulers but now when they think that operations will keep them in distance he issued a FATWA.....
So they are not the players in resistance in future...
They will be happy for thier HALWY MANDY they dont know the hard life of forests and fights with death....
@ achtung
"tamam siasi leadron ko phansi par charha diya jaey ga
ttp waley harris ko bhi nahee choorei gay"
hahahahahahahahahaha ROFL
so there is some good there then ;-)
FJ
achtung
Member
farigh jazbati
aaaaadaab
mjkk86
Member
@sufisoul
i know which sec you belongs to.
Salam
member
if they are successful here then people will start obeying them just like they obeyed british and then their left over puppets
SufiSoul
Member
Salam,
Same i try make understand these ppl that pls dont go to the BAYANAT of Mahirul Qadri..
Mahirul Qadri will take all the muridain to Islamabad to re-Bait them with Taliban amirul momineen...ZARIYA ZAROORAT K TEHAT.......LOLZZZZZZZZZ
SufiSoul
Member
MJKK,
Mahirul Qadri ne FATWA pehly kiyon na Diya....
Pls explain and put any logic to this.....
You knoe barailvi peers have hundreds of wazaif for earning money and get wealthy......This is thier basic mentality that they use religion to earn...
Look at Qawwal Hazarat emerges daily in {Punjab} to earn money like same where notes are tossed in Mujra.....
Tell me any Barailvi leader who is poor guy.....The richest is Mahirul Qadri.....and now UK polivy makers are also attracted by Mahirul Qadri....Pounds are thier to come....
Mahirul Qadri operating in the area having the same money based mentality of the people so he is using the same tactic with such people......
mjkk86
Member
@sufisoul
how would i know, i don't even know who the hell mahirul qadri is.
@sufisoul
Asl mein Mahirul Qadri Europe aur USA ke Dus Saala Dooray pe thay aur un tak TTP ki Ittalaa nahin puhnchi thi ;-)
FJ
zalaan
Blocked
There will be civil War which will never end in Pakistan ,first Taliban will start to kill shias ,Then Brelvis and this will continue ,Then there would be many militant groups within Taliban will start killing each other .
Taliban will take over lahore they will first capture Mansura and will kill all Jamaat Islami leaders as they did in Afghanistan .
hkbajwa
Member
The violence and aggression of the taliban holds within it the seeds of their own eventual irrelevance
every person on this planet is slowly but surely turning towards Islam. However by that i mean "peace".
As the excesses of ruling elites, political power brokers, militant mullahs and all other groups that resort to violence as a means to resolve issues, become more known to the world population, there is a distinct rejection of violence and aggression.
already today the tolerance for wanton violence and death in the average man is far lower than ever before in human history. This trend will continue.
This means that eventually any group for whom punitive action and aggressive policing is a fundamental part of their manifesto will eventually be faced with 2 choices
1) Give up the principle of controlling through threats and punitive actions
2) slowly fade away to irrelevance
If the TTP or any other warmongering and violently disposed group take the first option then they won't remain warmongers or violent groups, in which case they will easily assimilate into mainstream society.
But of course they can also stay true to their violent credo and disappear. In any case violence will come to an end because mankind will wish it.
SufiSoul
Member
Mahirul Qadri=Tahirul Qadri LLB,PHD newyark,USA
Mr. hkbajwa,
Your forecast and analysis is close to reason.
In case Taliban or any other Militant Group succeeds to capture the sovereignty of Pakistan under the current economic, social and cultural conditions, there could be,
1. A reaction against punitive system within the ranks of Rulers could create further divisions and groupings.
2. It is also possible that the strong cultural impact of region makes them assimilate the mainstream, just like Moghals and other colonialists who were successful to create a balanced and practicable blend of local Culture and traditions.
3. A complete and ideal unity of the religious groups could never be conceived.
Salam
member
actually this 'reaction' has no history as rightly pointed out by sufisoul
if people can live under tyrants like zardari and rahman then what else could be worse?
there is no such thing as 'ideal unity' in any society? there are methods and processes established to have order and way of settling disputes in all societies.
SufiSoul
Member
Historical Resistance=Balouchistan+Afghanistan+Saraiki Punjab
Baqi, Charty Sooraj k Pojari=Accommodative=Social=Educated what ever name you may give will fit in.....
Wahid Doyum
Member
I disagree. Punjab and its agencies ISI and army will resist tooth and nail against taliban rule in their backyard as their goal for Taliban is to rule only over Pukhtuns to make us slaves of the Taliban and by proxy Punjab. The whole basis of the current federation structure is based on this concept.
SS statement is one more proof of this. Punjab leaders would never agree to their power being shared by anyone else, but in the end they may have no choice.
One thing is for sure, Pakistan will head into Somali type governance with individual taliban commanders creating their own zones for collecting tax and slaves.
Salam
member
farmers of punjab lack history of resistance, they will continue farming their lands as before-
Wahid Doyum
Member
I agree, that common people of Punjab have slave mentality, bot those leaders who are enjoying their occupation of oppressed nations of Pakistan will not give up their power so easily.
What will be funny is to watch how Jamaati folks trying to change sides after calling taliban as blackwater and hindu jew agents all this time. I am sure they will find some good way to justify their lies.
Kidhar Ghaaib hoo gain hain saare
Kahin Talibaan ke Aane ke Darr se Ghair Mulki Safaarat khaanoo ke Baahir Veeze Kiliye Qitaar mein to nahin chalee gai ;-)
FJ
achtung
Member
hkbajwa
bhai mujhay to ye nazar aa raha hy ke jo log pehley se hi musalman hei who bhi biddak rahe hei aur aap kehte ho - every person on this planet is slowly but surely turning towards Islam. mujhay ye battain ke aik ghair muslim, mussalmano ki konsi khubi dekh kar muttasir ho ga ke wo musalman honey ke barey mei soochay? kia taliban ghair muslims ko muttasir kar rahey hei?
SufiSoul
Member
wahid dhoyum,
Now you caught the point her.
Only and only Army is the wall against any such Taliban movement..
The same is the strategy to tire,scatter and hit the Army in Pakistan to decrease the resistance by Army..
Army cannot fight for a limited time against own people gurrilla war..
The Shahbaz Sharif recent QALABAZI IN favur of Taliban should be seen in the same scenario that in the comming days Army and other powers want a deal with Taliban as they cannot fight with Militants for prolonged future........
All is planned on SS and Army side about the Taliban.....
If you know Punjab Siyasat thn you should understand the soft corner for fighters in south Punjab like Sipahe Sahaba when political parties were thier in common ralies with Sipahe Sahaba..
This is very typical Punjab Siyasat that they want become friends of the enemy to settle with them in future..
May be someone think that SS is bewakoof chief minister but it is not so and this is planned to have positive dialogue with Taliban in Future and its start of CBM's between the two Parties.....
Wahid Doyum
Member
Sufi, very interesting perspective on Punjabi-jihadi nexus. I think many of us, especially in Pukhtunkhwa have known for a while this game being played by Punjab for dollars on the graves of Pukhtuns can only last so long. The strategic depth policy of Pakistani establishment has failed and made the country into a true banana republic headed towards Somalia type "rule of law".
Taliban will take this opportunity and behead all opponents and opportunists of Punjab once they gain power. SS will be first on the chopping board, so he may think he is smart, but he is a fool like his brother.
A possible Picture of coming days
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100887446&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20100320
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/mar2010-daily/20-03-2010/col13.htm
FJ
hkbajwa
Member
@ Achtung
I say this because i have complete and utter faith in God. There is no way that humanity can avoid the lesson of Peace because it is a lesson that God is giving.
zia m
Member
Theocracy failed long time ago!
LiberalKarachi
Member
If TTP gets hold of Pakistan, people in Pakistan would be queuing to immigrate to Afghanistan. Enough said.
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