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What i Believe

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  1. hkbajwa
    Member

    Several years ago i used to debate on an american forum. On that forum i was the only participant with a muslim background. I wrote the following post of define what i believed. Of course my personal belief has evolved since then, but the core remains pretty much the same.

    I thought i would share what i wrote here.

    "If i had to put a name to my belief it would be Humanist Muslim. I add the “humanist” simply to correct misconceptions about Islam. Even according to Islamic theology, the rights of Man supersede the rights of God i.e your foremost responsibility is towards your fellow human. Unfortunately bearded apes through muslim history have completely ignored the essentially humanistic approach of Islam and twisted it into a violent RCC-anno-1500 type religious war party.

    I am a pacifist. This too has been inculcated in me due to my upbringing as an ahmedi muslim. We are UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES allowed to resort to violence in the name of our religion. There is NO EXCUSE for violence PERIOD. We are only allowed to defend/spread our belief through community building, debate & dialogue and by example. And if we fear for our lives, we leave. A large portion of my Pakistani family emigrated to the West during the persecution of Ahmedis during the 70’s.

    I am a socialist because as a muslim my foremost duty is towards the well being of my fellow man. I believe that a human cannot truly have a clear conscience as long as there are people around him that are not well.

    I am an environmentalist because God created a universe and we are a result of that universe (through evolution). It is our duty to look after the universe (as opposed to the primitive view that earth was created for man to exploit). If i do not care for our environment i am disrespecting the origin of our species.

    I believe in gender differentiation and equality. Men and women ARE different, but neither is qualified to term themselves better or more important than the other. Individually we each can excel but only through the pairing of the two genders can we become more than the sum of our parts. I believe that no sphere of life is exclusive to either gender (though they may have predispositions that lead them towards certain areas). I firmly believe that women MUST be educated and involved in our societies and not hidden away (they have different perspectives and skills which are imperative for our survival as a species)

    I believe that it is man’s DUTY to question the universe and our understanding of it. It is our DUTY to do EVERYTHING we can to understand the universe. That means actively challenging established theories and beliefs and discarding those that cannot stand the test of science. The maxim that Science and Religion are two different sides of the spectrum and never the twain shall meet is an out dated perspective. Religion is the search for truth and so is science.

    I believe that a man’s belief is his right and his property alone. We are not to judge or condemn them UNLESS they actively harm other humans.

    I believe in forgiveness and not in punishment. Retribution for injustice comes in the form of justice, not vengeance.

    I believe that I am wholly responsible for my actions, but the results of my actions depend ultimately on the universe/god.

    I believe nationalistic pride, ethnic pride, racial pride or religious pride, are harmful to us as a species. All men are created equal. To feel pride in something you have had no hand in serves no purpose other than distancing you from humanity as a whole. I only believe in ONE NATION, and that is the nation of humanity. To be one nation of earth humans will reflect the reality of the universe that we are members of the same species. TO differentiate yourself based on imaginary lines drawn on a map run contrary to the REALITY of our EQUALITY.

    I believe that I must live my life according to what I think is right. NEVER according to how other people act. I never agree with the “he did it first” or “He did it so I’m gonna do it” excuse. Another person’s actions should never dictate mine. I believe a lot of our misery in this world is caused by this attitude. The bad behaviour of another can NEVER justify YOUR bad behavior (even though you see this type of justification even at an international level - some politicians are just big babies like that).

    I believe that NO HUMAN IS EVIL. I believe humans commit evil acts because they do not see the world clearly. I can only combat evil by explaining and clarifying. I can NEVER combat it by another evil act (like killing those who disagree ). I oppose punitive corrections (the point of punitive measures is to make the criminal aware of the consequences of crime - not to wreak vengeance upon him/her).

    Most of all though I believe in honesty. Honesty towards others and honesty towards one self. Speaking the truth can NEVER result in misery. The greatest of the prophets had only this to cling on to. Their defining feature was not their miracles or their sacrifice. It was their HONESTY. It was their complete commitment to speaking the TRUTH (as they perceived it) without taking heed of the consequences. They always maintained a belief that truth cannot be harmful. And this is what gave them unbelievable strength. As long as you have truth on your side (which you can only have by being 100% honest) you cannot be beaten by even the most clever of untruths. That is why Mohammad (pbuh) handled persecution in Mecca silently. That is why Jesus went to the cross without complaint. And that is the only way I can hope to emulate the prophets. By absolute adherence to the truth as I perceive it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 6:57 #
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    "I believe that I must live my life according to what I think is right. NEVER according to how other people act. I never agree with the “he did it first” or “He did it so I’m gonna do it” excuse. Another person’s actions should never dictate mine. I believe a lot of our misery in this world is caused by this attitude. The bad behaviour of another can NEVER justify YOUR bad behavior (even though you see this type of justification even at an international level - some politicians are just big babies like that)." [Qoute]/

    I believe i might be wrong thinking somthing about right,
    But what Allah has sent upon us for the guildance mankind will not be wrong, I may be wrong but what has given by prophet cann't be wrong

    The Jesus never went on Cross, it people who have force him to do that

    Do u know why Jesus cried

    "O God o God why thou have forsaken me" (Bible)

    because he was true messenger of Allah, people betray him.

    I believe men belief are not his own property because they r asked by Allah for their responsiblite about Amr Bil Maroof and Nahi Anil Munikar.

    Allâh says:

    "There should be among you (O believers), a group (of the learned and sincere persons) who should call (the people) towards goodness, bid (them) to the good and forbid (them) from the evil--they are the successful people." (3:104)

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 7:14 #
  3. Amen. Beautifully put and gives us all food for thought.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 9:50 #
  4. hkbajwa
    Member

    ANybody else care to share what they believe??

    I speak here not of affiliation but rather about your personal belief regarding life, the universe and everything :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 12:05 #
  5. Ok, I'm a Muslim. But we don't need to go into that. Everyone knows what that means. I never used to talk about my religion in the past. I began only after the farce of 9/11 when I realised now if ever we Muslims must stand up and be counted.

    Beyond that, I've been justice-obsessed all my life. Hence, I suppose, my interest in politics, though actually I hate the damned thing and am absolutely apolitical as to ways and means. Democracy is not a concept which has ever appealed to me. A most manipulative way to run countries.

    Freedom, as it is presented to us, is wholly an illusion. The only freedom I recognise is the freedom of the spirit, the soul. And because of the anti-Muslim events of the past decade, I've become thoroughly anti-war. I think war in coming times will have to be banned. Otherwise humanity will not survive.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 12:36 #
  6. hkbajwa
    Member

    @ Mirza

    Well i undestand why you become more aware of your religious background after an event like 9/11. I suppose i also never really bothered to define or explain my beliefs before i was faced with the global condemnation of muslims post 9/11.

    Anyhow i would say that there is a big difference between one's belief and one's religion. belief is a wholly personal thing whereas religion is merely a grouping together of people with similar beliefs.

    But where one can take a religion to encourage war another like yourself can take the same religion to encourage pacifism.

    So your belief is pacifism from what i understand. I agree with you that war must be abolished if our species is to survive.

    I also agree that the conventional perception of "freedom: is nothing more than a cliche'. the concept of freedom is far deeper and has far wider repercussions than what people currentl think.

    In a soceity where everybody is free, everybody also has to develop an unprecedented level of tolerance for other people's freedom.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 13:24 #
  7. Excellent hkbajwa. A very nuanced approach to the big abstractions facing mankind, and one with which I find myself wholly in agreement.

    Now that we have unveiled the way we perceive the world, let us hope others will also join us in this attempt at inner clarity.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 13:35 #
  8. zia m
    Member

    I believe in a Creator, Power, that controls the univers or the multiverses (if they exist).The Force or the Supreme law that controls the Universal Constants.
    I don't believe in any man made religions.
    If we go back in history we shall find ignorance and fear created all the religions, fancy and enthusiasm disfigured them, and custom, respect and tyrany supports them.
    The concept of god has been evolving since the dawn of civilization from polytheism to monotheism.
    I can't be honest with myself and still believe in the concept of Abrahimic god, a vengeful and jealous god.

    My belief in God is very similar to Thomas Paine who describes in his book Age Of Reason.

    "I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.
    I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavouring to make our fellow-creatures happy.
    But, lest it should be supposed that I believe many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.
    I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
    All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 15:20 #
  9. hkbajwa
    Member

    hehehe.. and i was thinking my beliefs to be original.. but thomas paine beat me to them :)

    Anyhow i agree fully with what he says

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 15:33 #
  10. "All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

    What a beautiful description by Thomas Paine, to make it easy to understand the proposition.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 15:41 #
  11. This thread is about beliefs...faith and religion.
    Moved to faith and religion.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 16:40 #
  12. hkbajwa
    Member

    hehehehehe... i think there ought to be different forums for faith and for religion.

    I think the two may overlap, but not necessarily.

    Those frequenting the faith forum will b e speaking in philosophical terms, whereas those on the religion forum will be speaking in legalist terms.

    Which actually leads me to wonder whether islam is a philosophy of law or a law itself.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 17:11 #
  13. NNL
    member

    I believe in Allah the Most Merciful and The Creator Of Jahanum.

    The Jahanum which has been promised that it will be filled to the brim and then some more.

    I just keep reminding myself that i m mostly likely one of those who will fill Jahanum.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 20:11 #
  14. SufiSoul
    Member

    Muhammad SAWW once said,O Abdur Rahman bin Awof i saw you walking towards HEAVEN but with a difference of 500 years with other Sahaba...
    And Abdur Rahman requested for the reason and was replied that due to your WEALTH AUDIT......

    Every thing is already saved and movies been made of every single individual in this world...
    They will be shown thier activities live on that JUDGEMENT DAY.....

    Why we cannot avoid death here JUST to prove that we must die here,must die here..........yes must...

    ANY ONE OUT THIER SO-CALLED EDUCATED,SO-CALLED KING,SO-CALLED PRESIDENT..............WHO DARES TO GET OUT OF DEATH'S GRIP HERE......
    The same thier when thier will never be a death......

    One will cry for thousand years for death in HELL but no DEATH...
    One will cry to send him back to show how IDEAL WORSHIPER OF ALLAH he is..........but NO will be the answer......

    CAN ANY ONE IMAGINE HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO THAT DAY....MY EVERY BIRTHDAY REMINDS ME THAT I GET ONE MORE YEAR CLOSE TO THAT HAPPENINGS......

    Do you enjoy your birthday........?????

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 20:38 #
  15. zia m
    Member

    The funny thing is Christians, Jews, Hindus and believers of hundereds of other religions think the same.Actually different sects within Muslims think the others are going to hell.

    Humko Malum Hai 'JANNAT' Ki Haqeekat Lekin. Dil Bahlane Ko 'GHALIB' Ye Khyal Achcha Hai.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 20:44 #
  16. SufiSoul
    Member

    ziam,

    Just go through the Converted Muslims which were the Ulema of other religions.....Will made you many things clear....

    Sects between muslims never think like that at Top Religious leaders Level(Top Ulema Circle)...
    Yes at low level ordinary muslims have and busy in such statments....That are just political statments....

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 20:53 #
  17. zia m
    Member

    Islam is much more liberal or progressive as compared to other religions.
    So it does not surprise me a bit if they need a crutch, why not convert to Islam.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 21:01 #
  18. SufiSoul
    Member

    No they only get security under ISLAM.Secure this life and after life....
    Thier are other by products also..

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Mar 2010 21:47 #

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