Salam
member
Why a human has to believe in the theory of evolution to progress in advancement of science?
Why an engineer or scientist has to first have faith on this theory and then proceed with his/her work? I don't find it necessary to have faith in order to proceed with advancement in technology development.
Why have faith in evolution theory?
Salam
member
Here is link to a video where Zakir Naik is answering questions on Theory of Evolution:
Well we don’t need to have faith in Darwinism for any kind of progress in Science infact as we all know many scientists have now refuted this theory with latest experimentation and research done in scientific fields of Palaeontology,molecular biology,anatomy,genetics,biochemistry etc… especially The Intellectual Design Theory has proved that Evolution Theory has many flaws….20/30 years back the criticism on this theory wasn’t that strong like it is today…in coming years there will be more contradictions found in it with more research in science…but to mention one thing here that school/college/university course books included in the study of biophysics,biochemistry,genetics etc,which are mostly written by authors who support this theory, even in a country like ours,it sometimes becomes difficult for students,who already know about the flaws of Darwinisim or have a little idea about it,to argue or discuss it with teachers/Professors about it’s unproven facts because the Professors got to teach what they have learned or have in the books on the basis of which they teach…which sometimes seems a hurdle for students to proceed further…the surprising part is,having clearly explained in our Holy Book about the Process of human development,I still hear many students and ppl in our country saying that “Insan Pehley Bandar tha”…prolly because the concepts are not very clear to them or they never tried to know the facts…or they just believe blindly what they are told by ppl around them or from fabricated reading stuff they read or umm uhhm what they see in Documentries on National Geographic Channel :|
zia m
Member
Foolish argument by Zakir it is just a Theory.
So is
Atomic Theory and Germ theory of Disease.
He is right, Quran says to consult the experts.
Here is a world renown expert on Theory of Evolution.
Salam
member
There are experts on both sides of the camp, I don't see any consensus in the scientific community on this theory.
Anyway, I don't think that having faith on this theory is necessity for advancement in science & technology.
zia m
Member
There is no disagreement on the process of evolution amongst scientists.Some do believe in intelligent design that has to do with the origin of micro organism and not the evolutionary process.
Salam
member
When we say Theory of Evolution then this subject encompasses hundreds of sub-subjects and on each subject there are further details and agreements/disagreements from different camps.
Of course there are disagreements on each sub-subject... there is no such thing as one formula acceptable to all.
Famous Molecular Biologist Michael Behe says about evolution theory as" A theory in Crises"
zia m
Member
Michael behe is one of the few backed by discovery institute and Templeton foundatin (religious organisations) who promote intelligent design but he does not deny process of evolution and believes in common decent of all species including the humans.
"Unlike William A. Dembski [30] and others in the intelligent design movement, Behe accepts the common descent of species,[31] including that humans descended from other primates, although he states that common descent does not by itself explain the differences between species. He also accepts the scientific consensus on the age of the Earth and the age of the Universe. In his own words:"...
"For example, both humans and chimps have a broken copy of a gene that in other mammals helps make vitamin C. ... It's hard to imagine how there could be stronger evidence for common ancestry of chimps and humans. ... Despite some remaining puzzles, there’s no reason to doubt that Darwin had this point right, that all creatures on earth are biological relatives.” The Edge of Evolution, pp 71-2.
source.wiki
hkbajwa
Member
OK so what i don't get is why evolution and intelligent design have to be considered mutually exclusive. I personally think the two concepts complement each other beautifully.
Whereas Intelligent Design implies that there is a greater universal force that determines the development of existence, Evolution is just a theory of how that Intelligence brought about the desired result.
Intelligent design claims one central thing ; All processes that have led to the creation of life on this planet are guided by one central intelligence. Why can this central intelligence not choose evolution as the vessel of development?
I personally do not believe that life can be created by sheer coincidence. But i also do not believe that it requires an old man in the sky to form some clay in a particular shape and "breathe" life into it.
ID and Darwinism are not mutually exclusive. ID is the basic set of rules which guides the process of evolution.
For instance just the incredibly complex workings of the human hearing ability would have required that evolution proceed with a specific purpose. The fact that one accepts that this purpose existed prior to homo sapiens means that one accepts the existence of Intelligent Design.
However where does it say that this purpose cannot have been fulfilled by evolution?
Darwinism excludes the possiblity of TRADITIONAL creationist lore. As well it should. Other traditional/religious theories of creation contradict the scientific knowledge mankind has acquired so far. However the basic concept of ID does not.
I don't see why evolution cannot be considered a divine miracle. In fact i think that controlling evolution is a far greater example of a divine miracle than the supposed instantaneous creation of all life.
God is the intelligent designer who through the process of evolution created a being as sophisticated as a human.
Salam
member
When we talk about 'theory of evolution' we take it as complete set, meaning we take the argument/claim/hypothesis and then evidences as one set.
When we say Theory of Evolution then this subject encompasses hundreds of sub-subjects and on each subject there are further details and agreements/disagreements from different camps.
Evolution itself is such a complex subject with dozens of sub-branches, but the point that there are some 'colors' here and there do not reflect the claimed picture. So it is futile to debate on color dots as look this is color and it is red color and it located at x,y coordinates etc etc, we are addressing the big picture, the comprehensive view point, not individual dots... you get the point.
Last but not least, to reject a scientist because he is affiliated with an organization or a belief or any xyz reason is known as prejudice which is least thing expected from the proponents of rationality.
zia m
Member
The origin of life is unknown to the scientist and they admit it.Divine guidance is surelly a possiblity and should not be ruled out until proven otherwise.
I'm not aware of any biologist who denies evolution of humans from apes.
Behe accepts the decent of man from apes as i quoted from his own book in my previous post.
I'm familiar with lot of great scientiist who refuse to accept funding from Templton Foundation inorder not to compromise their crediblity.I'm not questioning Behe's ideas because of his affiliation, simply pointing out to the conflict of interest.It is like if PKpolics were funded by PMLN or PPP. i would take their opinion wiith a grain of salt.
crocodile
Blocked
"I'm not aware of any biologist who denies evolution of humans from apes."
Its really so funny that one still could be ranting about it.If you are a desi then you should realize that you are in the lower ranks of evolution which implies that you are a subhuman just little up in evolution ladder to 'Negros'...lol
zia m
Member
Are you a fallen angel or a Crocoduck?
http://store.richarddawkins.net/products/crocoduck-t-shirt
:)
crocodile
Blocked
Durust hey angraiz ka farmaya howa
Nara hey yea Bhangi ka apnaya howa
:)
change_is_close
Member
@corcodile
lol... =D
zia m
Member
Very interesting interview on existence and acceptance of Evolution.
zia m
Reading posts in this thread it is painfully obvious to me that most people from our culture have just very little information on evolution. I wonder why that is?
zia m
Member
lota,
Yes,you are right.Most of us have never studied it, the ones who know science feel it is a threat to their religious beliefs.
Amongst the developed countries US is most religious, they have highest number (40% same as Turkey) don't believe in Evolution
I am sure we will still find people out there who think the earth is flat, the mountains are on this earth so they can provide support to the planet or dipping a fly wing twice in a liquid has anti bacterial qualities. Understanding evolution is basic science. I just find it hard to comprehend how people can miss that?
Sir David Attenborough has made lots of videos on evoloution. Watch any of them and you will be hooked.
http://www.ninjavideo.net/cat/1806
Charles Darwin and the Tree of Life Part 1
After watching these two videos you can be the judge of how much Zakir Naik knows about evolution. What Zakir Naik is doing is taking rejected Christian theological ideas and rebranding them as Islam and feeding them with a spoon to the simple minded.
You must log in to post.
