Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@mjkk86: Taliban never implemented Islami Nizam. They had just barely begun to form an Islami Govt. as per Dr. Israr.
What you say of things happening under Taliban, that is ALL a lie, pushed by western mass media. These are lies.
(1) The question about Pakistan + Saudi Arabia's recognizing Govt. of Taliban in Afghanistan is moot.
People of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, we! are ALL! Muslims. Which Govt. we recognize on our land (Muslim UMMAH) is OUR prerogative.
No one in the entire world, non-Muslims or their organizations or any other can tell us who we can and cannot recognize. How we/Muslims operate is our own matter. Its an internal matter. Western nations, or non-Muslims are NOT! welcome in this process.
Your question here is meaningless, its worthless, its pointless. In short, its moot, because its an internal matter of Muslim UMMAH.
(2) (a) Quran-o-Hadees was law in Afghanistan, under Taliban
(b) women were treated with respect
(c) education for women was not barred
(d) only co-education was to be eradicated from Afghanistan
(e) there are instances reported in news media, which is enough evidence to note that women were not only treated in the best of ways, they had respect, they had opportunities like never before
A glaring example of good treatment of women is the conversion of sister Yvonne Riddley when she was held captive by Taliban.
(f) ah, about men beating women. I only saw that in the time when women engage in fornication. I could write books on answering this question
Suffice you to say, women who engage in fornication, they commit multiple crimes. There are ways of dealing with fornicators in Islam. No doubt Taliban tried to implement some of them.
Its natural that the west would say, these are harsh measures. For there hasn't been any debate on the issue. Points of view of both sides, on this matter was never heard.
How can we ever come to a rational conclusion in this regard without meaningful discussion on this topic ?
Having said that, you also need to take into account the fact that;
(a) Afghans came out of a 3+ decade long war
(b) They only had 6 years of peace time
(c) 6 years is hardly enough time for a people to recover, to re-gain their self respect, re-build their national institutions, etc etc
(d) It is expected that in this early period of recovery, those who govern will make mistakes
Given time, they would have learned from their mistakes. They would have developed processes in order to improve governance or dealing of jurisprudence.
Look into past of developed nations. You will find this same happening there as well. But we don't remember that, do we ? We just like to point fingers at others in ignorance. Its easy! to point fingers, isn't it ?
Afghans were not allowed;
(i) peace time
(ii) opportunity of developing institutions, developing methods for jurisprudence, developing processes
(iii) opportunity of improving their governance
(iv) opportunity of making their lives better
(v) opportunity of evolving into a credible, mature society
What right did the west have to;
- intervene in their internal affairs ?
- bring down a legitimate Govt. of Taliban in Afghanistan ?
Did the Afghans call USA/Nato to their aid ? No!. Never!.
(g) corruption ? There was no corruption in Afghanistan under Taliban
There were no institutions in Afghanistan under Taliban. How could there be corruption ?
Those who committed crimes were caught, prosecuted for their crimes, convicted, and then punished within the same day. There was no corruption, no crimes under Taliban, in Afghanistan. Even the west acknowledges that.
The system, the model of life that Taliban had begun to excersize in Afghanistan was in-fact so great, western leaders found it to be a better alternative to their system. That was also one reason to quell the thing that had just started to develop into something great.
(h) abuse of power ? How ?
(i) abuse of civil liberties ? How ?
(j) Lowest GDP ? Lowest literacy rate ? No development ? No infrastructure ?
You expect the poorest nation in the world to recuperate from a 3+ decade of continuous war, and have ALL of the above, inside just 6 years of peace time ?
- Aren't your expectations unrealistic ?
- Do you know what your saying here ?
- Do you have common sense ?
It took USA 200+ years to establish itself. Even more.
You expect the poorest nation in the world to recover everything! inside 6 years ?
(k) selling opium ? Under Taliban ? Nonsense!
Opium trade hit virtually 0% under Taliban. And this happened only! under Taliban rule.
Since USA/Nato took over Afghanistan, opium trade has been revived. Its flourishing. Opium trade has seen explosive growth under USA/Nato's control.
Its perfectly natural for drug trade to flourish under USA/Nato and their allies, their sub-agencies (like CIA, FBI, etc etc). They need money to finance their operations, their objectives in this region. They finance their operations with money from opium trade.
This opium trade has been going on since British came to subcontinent. China fought 'Opium Wars' with British. Look into 'Opium Wars'. You'll find many revealing facts.
The British were using opium trade as a source of income to finance their objectives in this region since decades before USA came to Afghanistan. Since USA took over Britain's job in early 1900s, they took over this role from the British, as well.
USA/Nato support Northern Alliance (NA). One of NA is Gen. Dostam. Mr. Dostam is financed by USA/Nato. Mr. Dostom is supported by USA/Nato. Mr. Dostam has one of the worst! records of human rights abuses, mass murders, brutal tortures, etc etc in Afghanistan. He has professional drugs making factories in the area of Afghanistan that he controls.
USA/Nato revived drug trade in Afghanistan, after Taliban nearly wiped it out. That's the internationally accepted record.
(l) women ? 50% ? really ? Loss of half GDP ?
Do you know what Islam says about women ? Obviously not. Then how can you understand what Taliban were doing ?
A lengthy discussion is required into this topic, for you to understand it.
