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  1. Raj
    Let me tell, u said that topic is shifted, Topic is not Shifted

    I have hear this from history, i cann't have refferece for this even but it's true, This was during the muslim rule in Spain.

    "In a court a desision was made by the father against his own son, who is accused of theft or whatever. His son was hanged before his eyes. But the father is true muslim.

    There are billion of examples from muslim society. In Pakistan we are not living in muslim society. Pakistan is not a Islamic country. There is not a single country in the world with the complete rule of Islam. This is the age of greatest downfall of muslim nation.

    This is called Azad Adiliya, In Pakistan where is Azad Adliya, People are dying hunger in thar desert and rest of the nation is watching cricket on PTV. Azad Adiliya doen't mean that Cheif Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Choudhary takes stand against Mushraff.

    Today we think that west has "Azad Adiliya"

    There is no Azad Adiliya in west, They are only to loyal to themselves, They are not loyal to human.

    The word "Adiliya" mean justice, doesn't belong to court. It involve every person living in the community. The Micheal Jackon and Bill Clinton are the member of same community,so called just community, if there is justice then why they do such injust activitieves, I tell u they r tire of their community, U can watch them on TVs or Videos Most of them r accepting Islam. Can u tell me why because they have seen that the true Justice belong to Islam.

    And those who r migrating to Islam are not muslim as we are. They r true muslims. We didn't get Islam from sacrify. That's why we have no respect for Islam.

    Westren Media is hired sword to show Justice in West or American community. There community has nothing but they are like a hollow tree only a force punch of Islam will break them down. U Can see How fast Islam is spreading in West and America.

    My Brother The Just society never ends until they do injustice.

    Now the age of west has ended and age of Islam is strated

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2010 5:38 #
  2. RajputPuttar
    Member

    psycho ,

    u have again avoided this

    '
    BAhiyaa, noozbillah u r not hakeem and aadal than GOD Almighty who has prescribed hadood in Quran for culprits as GOD knows that such a society can't exist

    '

    as well as

    "
    Sir , again u r mentioning social justice. Can i ask that didn't crimes in the era of prophet pbuh where he ordered the impostion of hadood'

    What would u say to that ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2010 8:16 #
  3. Raj

    Why u r comparing me with God Almighty. Is it ur thinking
    I have never break the limit

    Can u tell me what is Social justice. Justice is justice whether it is social justice or political justice. There were crimes during the Prophet times. But when the Laws of Allah are implemented, the crimes reduce to Zero during the age of Hazrat Umer R.a.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 4:04 #
  4. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Bahiya

    u have been saying that if islam is implemented than there won't be any crime .

    Sir

    if so would be case than why Allah has specified hudood

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 6:36 #
  5. Salam
    member

    as proven by test, trial and testimony this deen establishes peace and justice in human society

    it is the only effective way of life

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 7:07 #
  6. Yes i am saying this,

    U can study during the history time of Hazrat Umer R.a, There were no crimes. Can u provide me an event of major crime during the age of Hazrat Umer (R.a)

    U know something about Black Hole, I tell u all the physics and time become zero at Black Hole,

    Similarly all the crimes become Zero before Islamic System.

    U r fan of Western Justice, There is no justice in West. U have no knowledge about Islamic justice. When the true lion comes all the false lion hide

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 7:26 #
  7. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Bahiyaa,

    I m asking u something primarly than your 'hazrat umar rule'.

    Has GOD specified hudood in case crime occurs ? HE knows better than u , me or hazrat umar ?

    Btw, Hazrat umar himself was killed by someone . What else could be a bigger crime than a murder ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Mar 2010 7:16 #
  8. skunk
    Member

    All but the first Righteous Caliph(ra) were murdered.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Mar 2010 18:43 #
  9. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Jackal & Psychoo

    Bahiiyaa , kaahan chaley gaaey ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Mar 2010 6:56 #
  10. @Rajputtar

    Allah is great we don't have knowdlege, But he has sent us on the earth for some test. So it is the test. And for this purpose he sent his prophet first to show people how to live. The prophet first practically established a society on the principles of Islam, Now Allah is testing us how we work. How we follow the way of Allah, In Pakistan can u tell me where is Islam, Where we r following the sunnat of Prophet.

    The Hazrat umer R.a was not murder he was Shaheed,

    "Those who killed in the way of Allah do not say murder to them, they are alive"

    Now i tell u the meaning of world Matyre, In English there is no meaning of world "Shaheed". Matyre is used to those who die for country or noble cause.

    Now i come to subject,

    Allah ne momneen say un ki jano kah soada kar rakha hai jannat k badlay main, So hazrat umer ne apni Jan day di Allah k deen pay,

    Ab baat yeh hai ko un ko kis ne shaheed karaya,

    Yeh dunia ki tareekh rahi hai jo log Allah ki raza pe zindagi guzratay hain woh esi tarah hi Jatay hain dunia.

    Bohat Ziada Baton ko Kareedo gay meray bhai to Eman se b chalay jao gay

    Allah Says in Quran

    "Ae eman walo bohat zaida guman na kia Karo"

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Mar 2010 8:26 #
  11. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Bahi Psychoo,

    Aap apney aaiyman kii fakar kaaro , meeray aaiyman koo chooroo.

    Mate, u have hi-jacked the trhead by turning it to a religious debate whereas it had nothing to do with religion at all.

    Anyhow, u have said on this very thread that with the implementation of 'islamic' laws , there won't be any crime.

    I have proven u wrong on two counts.

    a) GOD himself has prescribed stern punishment (Qasas and Hudood) in Quran. That implies, the 'gunnah' won't be eliminated and hence GOD thoguht it appropriate to prescribe the punishments.

    b) U / another friend reffered to elimination of crime during 'hazrat umar' raj . He was himself killed/ martyered / shaheed ? Wasn't that a crime ? Wasn't Qasas was taken for that ?

    So , mate its pretty much obvious that we can debate on teh pros & cons of an ideal system but do we need to wait for the ideal system ?

    Didn't Prophet PBUH made interim arragements till the complemetion of Quran ?

    So , my point is , alongwith continuing our effort / struggle for our ideal system , we can/should not forgo the implemenation of current laws across the board as it causes pain to human beings, the welfare of which is the utmost goal.

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Mar 2010 9:20 #
  12. Raj

    Acha meray bhai baat yeh hai religion kuch b nai, yeh hum logon ki banai howi cheez.

    Ap ne muje kaha k main ne Thread ko religion ki taraf le gaya kia ap muje bata saktay hain k reglious kia hai,

    Har cheez Islam main hai, koi b cheez Islam se Bahir Nai Hai, Agar ap islam se bahir baat karain ge to Ap thread ko apni taraf le k ja rahay hain.

    Islam aik mukamil zabta hayat, ess main har cheez dakhil hai, koi b problem aesi nai hai jis ka hal islam main na ho,

    Meray bhai, Us waqat Hazrat Usman Khalifa thay woh hum say zaida achay muslim thay, unno ne jo b kia hai theek kiya.

    Kyun k Meray Aqa Ka Irshad Hai

    "Meray Sahaba Sitaron ki Manand hain tum jis ki b pervi karo gay Nijat pao ge"

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Mar 2010 9:30 #
  13. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Psychoo

    This is your understanding of religion which differs significantly from mine.

    AGain, the princiciples of justice and humanity are common in all religions and non-religions theories. The practice may differ.

    Currently , whatever system we have , we need to talk of that alongwith continuing our struggle for our ideal system ?

    Should we defer our namaz, zakat , rooza till the ideal system is in place . NO way , we need to contrinue in current environment.

    IF Qasas was taken ,that means , Usman considered it a murder and thats why he imposed the perscribed punishment.

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Mar 2010 9:46 #
  14. Brother

    Now for this time Allah has chosen us the religion Islam, there is no way of life but Islam,

    The other religion are created by people like christian or Jews but now its time for Islam, And i don't believe in other religions.

    Islam is religion of Adam, Moses and Jesus,

    The religion is completed on Hazarat Muhammad (PBUH).

    My brother Islam is the only religion which provide u a JUST society. In Pakistan we are trying to implement british rule, and using the term "Azad Adilia" there is no justice in bristish rule, U can see from Past 63 years.

    U can't update this system because this system and Islamic system are opposite thing. U need to wipewhole demcratic system.

    Meray bhai Ap ne Kaha
    "AGain, the princiciples of justice and humanity are common in all religions and non-religions theories. The practice may differ."

    Lekan asal main dosray tamam mazahiab logon k banay hoay, logon ne amendments ki hain un, Allah k asolon ko change kar dia, ess liey Islam hi wahid rasta hain baga ka

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Mar 2010 10:05 #
  15. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Psychoo,

    AGain this is your understanding to which i may or may not agree. Religion is entirely a personal matter of belief and i respect yours.

    But Social principles are which are common to u & me and for this rules/laws are framed. U can argue with the justifiability of law but as long as its a law , it has to be implemented.

    For your consideration i would like to quote the event of 'Saleh Hadiba' which has been referred as 'Fateh Mubeen' in Quran and the implemenation of agreement to Abu Jandal.

    Tu bahi, i m not saying that stop struggling for an ideal system but as long as its not implemented , don't stop justice as well.

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Mar 2010 11:37 #
  16. @Raj

    My dear brother u r trying to get pure water from mud of dirt.

    The demoracy is dirt u can't struggle for justice in democratic system.

    if u answer my following question then i think u r right

    1. Mushraf is traitor why he is not brought in court

    2. Leading party is traitor who made them so

    3. The whole pakistan is suffering with political,social and economial crysis
    4. Why pakistan is helping America

    5.In 63 year what people have struggle for justice in Pakistan.

    6. Poor people are dying in baluchistan and sarhad and the rest of the nation is watching cricket match on TV
    7. The soldier and fighting in the desert and Sernior commision officer of Pak army is enjoying the feast,

    Meray bhai meray zehan main or b bohat sawal hain lekan ab yeh na kehna yeh cheezain justice main nai ati, Yeh tamam cheezain justice main ati, agar ap ghor karain.

    ap ne kaha

    |||::::Tu bahi, i m not saying that stop struggling for an ideal system but as long as its not implemented , don't stop justice as well. ::::::////

    ap agar muje kehtay k mar jao to woh main asan samjta lekan

    Demcratic system se justice ki tawaqo rakha, yeh ap ki sab se bari bhool hain, Ideal islamic system main hi hum sub ki baqa hai. Ess liey ess system ko torna ho ga

    Meray bhai ab baray ho jao 63 saal se hum pakistan main insaaf qaim karnay ki kosish kar rahay hain lekan nai ho raha ess ki kiya waja ap ne kabi socha,

    Kyun k jo cheez Allah k deen k khilaf ho uss se kabi b insaaf nai mil sakta,

    Democratic system or Insaaf Do mutazad cheezain hain

    "Azad Adiliya" Is Infact "Salve Adiliya" in democratic system

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Mar 2010 16:30 #
  17. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Psychoo,

    I have proved that crime can't be eliminated and has never been eliminated whethere its 'your islamic system' or pakistani system.

    The important thing is implemenation of law which is not occuring.

    U can open another thread to bash democracy & whatever u like but its totally unfair to relate injustice with democracy.If same democracy can deliever in eruope,america , india , japan why not here.

    For your kind information, pakistan has never had democracy and not even now.

    Its the __PAK ARMY in conjunction with religious fanatics is ruling the country.

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Mar 2010 23:03 #
  18. Meray Bhai

    I am not statisfied with your last post, u didn't answer my questions.

    U say crime can't be eliminated even in Islamic system.

    Bhai Allah ka deen jab dunia main qaim howa to Allah k dushmno ne us ko khatam karnay ki Kosish ki hai,

    Meray Bhai Hazrat Umer ki Shahdat Crime nai tha, Balka Aik Shaks ki zati dushmni thi,

    Main ap ko hazrat umer ki shahadat ka sara waqia sunata hun

    Hazrat Umer R.a ko Abu Lulu Feroz ne shaheed kia tha

    Shahadat se kuch arsa pehlay abu lulu feroz Hazrat Umer ko Rastay main mila or Kehnay laga, Ae Umer mera malik muje par zulum karta or muje mazdoori sahi nai deta, ap ne pocha kia kaam kartay ho to us ne jowab dia chaki chalata hun.Jab us ne apni tafseel batai to Hazrat Umer Kehnay Lagay Tumara malik to tumain sahi mazdoori deta hai. To us main zati intiqam a gay, akhir main hazrat umer ne us kaha k abu lulu muje b aik chacki Chahe, To kehnay laga K Ae Umer Main ap ko aesi Chacki bana k dun ga jo mashriq se maghrib tak Ho gai.

    Yeh Khalifa waqat ko seedi qatal ki dhamki thi, lekan hazrat umer r.a ne us ko uss waqat kuch na kaha, aj mushraf se ya zardari se ap ess tarah ki baat karain to ap ko pata chaley ga. Bhai Hazrat Umer Ki Shahdat b us mashray k insaaf ki Gawai de rahi hai. Lekan ap hain K Maghrib k Fan banay hoay hain.

    Ap Har tarah se bebas ho chukay hain,

    Kyun K jab haq batil se takrata hai to batil lajowab ho jata hai.

    Or Akhir main ap keh rahay hain k Pakistan main democracy nai hai

    Meray Bhai Pakistan ka naam Hai "Islamic Rebublic of Pakistan" Republic ka mutlib hai awam ki Hukamrani

    HAR koi jamoriat Jamoriat kar raha hai or ap keh rahay hain k pakistan main jamoriat nai hai.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 4:07 #
  19. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Psychoo Bahi,

    I m very much amused by your logic and trying to control my laughter.

    Bill clinton is "accused" of illicit relaionship but u say that its a "crime of rape"

    "Your" Hazrat Umar is killed by someone and u say its not crime.

    Mashallah. Abb tu meein waqaai hii laa jawab ho giyaa hoon.

    If u think and believe that __PAK ARMY has transfered all powers to elected reprsentatives of masses, i will conceed that there is a democracy. pretty simple.

    Bahi, we have already been suffering at the hadns of __PAK ARMY and its allies 'religious fantatics' trained and funded by them for a very long period. Here ,its just the smoke screen.

    But people like u will go on bashing democracy and politicians but will not condemn __PAK ARMY misdeeds.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 4:33 #
  20. Difference B/w Hazrat Umer and Bill Clinton Case

    My dear brother Bill Clinton case aik aesa case tha jo us shaks ki zati khawaish pe mubni tha.

    Hazrat umer r.a ki shahadat main koi aesi cheez nai nazar a rahi, jis se Allah k kisi hukam ki khalaf warzi ho rahi ho.

    Pak army is also product of this democratic bristish based system, Pak army is not product of Islamic Land.
    U r turning the thread to Army, I didn't have any respect for Army. Army is not doing anything good for Islam. U can read point no 7 of my above post.

    Brother there is nothing left for u in this whole discuss.

    U r badly damaged.

    Batil ka sath kab tak do gay apnay dil se pocho woh kiya keh raha hai

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 4:49 #
  21. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Psychoo,

    I think this thread was about the 'ARMY' and 'AZAD ADALIYA' .

    I wish u could have read it before trying to hi-jack it :)

    Secondly, murder is a crime whether of a muslim or non-muslim.Its a verdict of Allah and specified in Quran.

    U want to deny Quran,its your decision, what can i do except for a dua for u.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 4:55 #
  22. Raj

    Murder is crime.

    But the Shahadat of Hazrat Umer R.a is greatest fact which history cann't forget

    Hazrat Umer can prisioned that person for threating him.

    But ap ne us say zati intiqam nai liya, meray bhai

    aik admi ki shahadat main inta bara insaf ap soch saktay.

    I know that the thread was Azad Adiliya and i told u that army and azad adliya is illusion in the feild of democracy

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 6:10 #
  23. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Psycho,

    If it was not murder, then why in his will he directed his son to take qasas ?

    Bahiyaa, whats a murder . Killing of man without any due cause (due cuase may include qasas or capital punishment under the law).

    U can term it shaddat or whatever ,but it was a murder.

    And further , 'Shahadat' is a matter of belief so let it remain to the day of judgement that whether he was shahheed or not :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 6:14 #
  24. Can u provide the complete advice of Hazrat Umer R.a to His son.

    What is the reference of about post from the legal source.

    Legal source mean islamic books.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 6:24 #
  25. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Legal source means the constituion of the country and laws in place at the moment.

    Btw, there are not multiple islamic books , there is only one book of GOD , the Quran.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 6:27 #
  26. Brother r u

    Alh e Tashee

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 6:36 #
  27. @Psycho ,
    try to focus on topic .
    STOP speculating about any one's religion or sect .

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 6:41 #
  28. Sister

    I am only asking not attacking on his personal belief so that this discussion could easily end

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 6:44 #
  29. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Beenai,

    Had u interfered earlier, the thread won't have diverged so much.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 7:54 #
  30. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Psycho

    I m not bound to disclose anything about my beliefs.

    Why u came up with this question after i said

    "there is only one book of GOD , the Quran. "

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 7:56 #
  31. Ok Brother i agree with u There is one Book "The Quran" and One God "Allah Subhana Tahalla"

    Can U tell me in Quran there is "Sure Hajj"

    In the whole "Sura Hajj" it is not mentioned how to do Hajj

    The only procedure for Hajj is written in the books of Hadith

    So i think u people do Hajj where u got the procedure for doing Hajj. If u Believe in One Book and One God

    Why u do Hajj against Quran, Because the procedure of Hajj is not given in Quran

    Brother i said early

    "Jab Haq batil se takrata hai to batil ko jukna parta hai"

    ab k pass kuch b nai raha ab kehnay k lie

    agar ap muje honestly ess sowal ka jowab day dain to main samjoo ga k app theek hain.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 9:20 #
  32. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Psychoo

    if I Need to get a verdict from u then what's the point of argument ? Why to argue at all?

    There is an established principle that if u want to quote something to convince him, quote it from his belief not yourself's or just talk plain logic.

    Whatever u have been saying on this thread is purely based on your belief which means nothing to me.

    Did I say that method of hajj or Namaz is mentioned in Quran? I m totally unable to comprehend that why we are so clueless that we can't write a single line of logic

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 9:33 #
  33. My brother

    U didn't say that " method of hajj or Namaz is mentioned in Quran"

    But u have said this

    """""""""""Btw, there are not multiple islamic books , there is only one book of GOD , the Quran. """"""""

    infact u r denying the books of Hadith. Brother the saying of Prophet.

    So i am asking u that if there are not Islamic book then where did u get the procedure for Hajj and Salath.

    These are not my personal Belief the Deen of Allah will established in the World, if u will not see, then ur children will see or ur grand children will see. I am struggling for it.

    Why u don't join me, U r muslim, why u r fan of
    west. Islamic society is far greater then west.

    And remember always respect Sahaba, They are true companion of Prophet, I think u have no respect for Sahaba

    Allah says in Quran

    "Allah un se razi howa or woh Allah se"

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 9:48 #
  34. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Psycho

    CAn you plz keep your beliefs to yourself. I respect your beliefs although i don't think that its islam.

    It differs a lot from my understanding of islam and this is not appropriate forum/thread to discuss that.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:23 #
  35. @Rajputt bhai ,
    Azad Adliya hay ;bottle ka jinn tou nahin.
    jo har khawahish ko pora kar day .

    Azad Adliya is still the part of the system .
    how it can touch the holy cow named Army???

    Army walay ne inko nazar band kiya .
    dosray army walay ne churaya ...

    magar they cant do anything against Army.

    system needs to be changed .

    Azad Adliya can not do it all alone .
    Azad Media can not do it all alone .

    but they all can do it with the help of public and support of public representatives's support .

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:47 #
  36. @raj

    Meray aqa ka farman hai

    "Meray sahaba sitaron ki manand hai tum jis ki pervi b karo gay najat pao ge"

    Sahaba are sahaba "Whether it's Hazrat Ali R.a or Hazrat Umer R.a"

    U think that it's my personal belief, i am fullfulling and respecting the hadith of Prophet, it's not my personal belief, I have noted that u did show respect to Hazrat Umer and Hazrat Usman (May Allah be pleased with them)

    Let me tell u some Hadith of Prophet about Hazrat Umer and Hazrat Usman (may Allah be pleased with them)

    Meray aqa ne Hazrat Umer (R.a) k baray main kaha
    K agar meray baad koi nabi hota to woh Umer Hota

    That Hazrat Umer r.a contain all the properties of a Prophet,

    Hazrat Usman k baray main ap ne kaha

    (Usman se frishtay b haya kartay hain

    Meray bhai hum sahaba ki khak k barabar b nai hain

    Meray aqa ne yeh b kaha hai k

    "Agar tum ne kisi sahabi se bughaz rakha to us ne muj se bughaz rakha"

    Meray bhai yeh meray personal belief nai hain, ess liey apnay Eman ki hifazat karo, aesa na ho k moot ka frishta dastak de day or phir tumaray pas pichtaway k siwa kuch na ho.

    Or quran k baad Siha Sitta ( The books of Hadith) are the right source to understand the quran, So also respect them

    These are not my personal belief, Har musliman ka yahi belief hai,

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 14:56 #
  37. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Psycho,

    Can't u write a single line with dragging your beliefs in.

    BAhiyaa,
    I m least concerned about your beliefs,wahtver right or wrong as these are your beliefs and u have to answer them. Why u r telling me about them ? Did i ask ?

    And let me tell u one thing that Islam is for everyone. Quran is there , hadith sources are there , history is there. ITs for every person himself to determine whats right and wrong and he himself will be answerable for his understanding as well as deeds. No one of us can claim that his understanding is the correct understanding (he has got ISO-9000) . So , bahiyaa, i suggest u to preach your understanding to those who ask u to do that. Hawaai fire naa kartey rahaa karoo.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 15:18 #
  38. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Some people among us have a problem with Islam. Islam is their enemy, because Islam erodes their power over the masses. It sets the masses of Pakistan FREE of their oppression.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 15:46 #
  39. Raj

    Ok let's end this, I did my best to convoy u the truth, that is what atleast i can do,

    Let's wait for judgement day for the results.

    Because i can't change the nature.

    So struggle for Justice in Democratic system, When u think that it can't be obtain from the dirt of democracy then atleast remember me...................

    born normal but people made me pyscho

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Mar 2010 16:12 #
  40. RajputPuttar
    Member

    eik aur fatway baaz aayaa.

    Psycho,

    If u could show me the iso-9000 (just an example) that u have the truth , i will follow u .

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Mar 2010 0:21 #
  41. Raj

    There is hadith of Prophet

    " That out of 73 sect only one will go to Janna"

    Sahaba asked o messenger of Allah who r they

    The messenger said

    "Those who follow my sunnat and the sunnat of sahaba"

    And i think the Hadith of Prophet is more important then

    ISO90000

    and u didn't show respect to Hazrat Umer R.a and Hazrat Usman R.a

    They are true sahaba, They are the one who got the news of Heaven in this world.

    I am asking u to respect All Sahaba, do not show hate to them, we r nothing before them.

    Now U believe in ISO 9000 not the Hadith of Prophet.

    This is the only truth i can share with u

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Mar 2010 6:21 #
  42. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Bahiyaa,

    This is the hadith u r quoting , but whats the guranttee its a true hadith.

    Btw, i didn't show nay disrespect to any sahaba. U can't just go on accusing just becaz i m not in line with your belief.

    BAhiyaa,

    Thats why i told u that don't drag beliefs in discussions rather do discussion on merit and logic.

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Mar 2010 6:26 #
  43. Raj

    You r not the first one saying this about the Hadith of Rasoolullah, and asking guarantee. I have met many people in my life before u, I know who r, what u believe, This hadith is valid and written in the books of Hadith, and u don't believe in the book of Hadith, What else i can do for telling u the truth, If u don't believe in the books of Hadith why u offer salath, why u do Hajj,

    u didn't show disrecpect to Sahaba, but ur words show ""Your hazrat Umer Rule", "Hazrat umer was mudered" " Hazrat Umer was killed"

    Hazrat Umer was true beleiver, he worked for the will of Allah in his whole life, why u don't put the word "Shahadat" for him.

    and u also disrespect the book of Hadiths by saying this

    |||||||||Btw, there are not multiple islamic books , there is only one book of GOD , the Quran"""""""""|||||

    73 Sects In Islam

    The Ummah will split up into seventy-three sects
    Model Behavior of the Prophet (Kitab Al-Sunnah)
    Dawud :: Book 40 : Hadith 4579 Narrated AbuHurayrah:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.

    Reported by Awf ibn Malik Al Ashja'l:
    The Prophet said, "How will you be O Awf when this nation is divided into 73 sects. One sect will be in Paradise and the rest in Hell."
    I asked: "When will this be O Messenger of Allah?"
    He answered, saying: "When the police increase and slave girls take authority, and when the lambs (weak authorities) sit on the pulpit, and when the Qu'ran is used as flutes and mosques decorated and the spoils of war manipulated, and the obligatory charity becomes an excessive debt, and trust is taken like spoils of war, and religious study is not for the Sake of Allah and when husbands obey their wives, and disobeys his mother, and banishes his father, and the last of this nation curses the beginning of it, and when the tribe is mastered by a deviator, and the leader of the nation is the worst of them and a man is treated generously to avoid his evil. Upon that day it will happen and men will run to Syria to the City of Damascus, which is one of the best cities in Syria that protects them from their enemy ... " I asked: "Will Syria be opened?"
    He answered: "Yes, soon then after its opening the trials will start and a dark and dusty trial will come. Trials will follow one another until a man from the Family of my House called the Mahdi comes. If you reach him, follow him and be among those who are guided."(At-Tabarani)

    All will go to hell except the one to which my companions belong
    Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 171 Narrated byAbdullah ibn Amr
    Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: There will befall my Ummah exactly (all those) evils which befell the people of Isra'il, so much so that if there was one amongst them who openly committed fornication with his mother there will be among my Ummah one who will do that, and if the people of Isra'il were fragmented into seventy-two sects my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect. They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, which is that? Whereupon he said: It is one to which I and my companions belong.
    Transmitted by Tirmidhi.

    I am dragging belief in discussion because ur belief about sahaba and books of Hadith are not good,

    Meray bhai Rasoolullah ki Hadith se agay har cheez khatam ho jati hai, lekan tum ne us se b keeray nikal diay or kehtay ho k ess ki kiya guarntee, Faraz karo k main ne raslulluh ki hadith main koi kami beshi kar di hai tu mera tekhana jahanum hai, main inta risk sirf ap ko samjany k liey kar raha hun kyun k muje pata hai ap kon hain.

    Ess liey apnay eman ki hifazat karo, aesa na ho k phir kaho muje koi batanay wala hi nai aya tha

    Main dunai ka Chawal tareen banda hun, muje tum lak gali de do muje bura nai lagay ga, Lekan tamam sahaba ki respect karo or Hazoor ki Hadiths ki

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 Mar 2010 6:26 #
  44. Just to revert back on topic:
    ‘Harr roz , civilians kii tu bula kaay beezati kartey haain, Abb pata chaley gaa yeh kitney paani mein haain’.

    As long as our penal code (a remnant of our colonial past) is in effect, the above remains a dream; cannot be realized.
    You have to remove some draconian codes that exist even today empowering our police with most and the rest to army so that atrocities committed through/with the help of this redundant penal code system continues.

    Judges follow these penal codes and endorse them through court verdicts.

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 Mar 2010 6:38 #
  45. RajputPuttar
    Member

    semirza

    Thank you very much for reverting back to topic.

    Sir, i don't see where PPC is blocking the courts to take action against the culprits of '__PAK ARMY' ??

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 Mar 2010 8:13 #
  46. skunk
    Member

    PPC is just for civilians, apparently as courts define Constitution trial of a brigadier for raping Dr Shazia will put the defence of the nation in jeopardy. So 'in the current fragile situation' that the forces and judiciary have created over their eight year threesome with the third partner mullahs as many women and children can be raped and murdered as they may desire.

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 Mar 2010 11:22 #
  47. RajputPuttar
    Member

    well said skunk but its not story of 8 years , unfortunatley its story for last 60 yrs.

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 Mar 2010 11:27 #
  48. achtung
    Member

    mojuda halaat mein supreme court bohat achha kam kar rahi hy.
    kissi bhi adliya sey 100 fesad log kabhi mutmaeen nahi ho saktey.

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 Mar 2010 12:18 #
  49. RajputPuttar
    Member

    achtung

    Bahi what do u mean by majooda halat ?

    Its the same pattern of judiciary which is being maintainted which started from molvi tameezuddin case taht stand with establishment and convict political forces.

    Wahts the difference ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 Mar 2010 14:05 #
  50. achtung
    Member

    rajputtar bhai

    mojooda halaat sey mera matlab hy keh wo halaat jahan per dogar type judge ko wapis laney ki koshishain ho rahi ho takeh azad judgoon per dabaoo dala jaata rahey.

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 Mar 2010 14:36 #

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