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Shaping young minds program (SYMP)

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  1. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @shriq: Because some people only want to engage in;

    (a) mud-slinging
    (b) leg pulling
    (c) bashing others

    Perhaps;

    (a) they think if they don't do that, others might make more progress than them, which means they are under the fear that their lives would lag far behind others ?

    (b) these people are paid to do it. I mean they are paid to conduct word brawls, to misguide others ?

    (c) they are on this forum to waste everyone's time ?

    (d) they don't want anyone to have;

    (i) peace
    (ii) peace of mind
    (iii) tranquility
    (iv) etc etc

    ?

    (e) since they don't do any productive work themselves, they want others to be as miserable in life as they are themselves ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 18:01 #

  2. SufiSoul
    Member

    Haaaris khan,

    How do u manage fajar prayer when till late u r here?????

    Just tell me also any TOTKA yara...

    This is good to think about such positive points here and get something new for our brain..

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 18:18 #

  3. Musician
    Member

    "Being polite is a nice quality that greatly enhances your character positively. On the other hand 'Chaploos, Khoshamidi and daghabaz' use the same quality for their own benifits and gains!"

    Surely, just because someone will do "chaploosi", "Khoshamad" and "Dagha" does not mean that one should be rude. One should be alert to the other people's motives but must not be impolite to others just on the pre-text that other party is using politeness for some bebefits and gains.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 22:39 #

  4. Musician
    Member

    The original quote was:

    “Do not let a rude behaviour of someone to dictate your politeness”

    The above is advocating you to be polite and not to become paranoid about someone else's politeness towards you.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 23:23 #

  5. expakistani
    Member

    @Beenai.. Thanks BB
    chalo phali bar aap ney eik acha post kia or meri MQM ko blame bhi nhi kara (:

    i have to admit where i fail.... i only pray jab sar per danda hota hey.

    9.Prayer is not the spare wheel ,that u pull out when u r in a trouble ,its a steering wheel that keeps you on the right path throughout your life

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 2:08 #

  6. Beenai
    Moderator

    thanks a lot every one for liking this thread .

    but i am really disappointed with the fact that some ppl are again slipped into argument just for the sake of argument while leaving behind the essence of the tread .
    will request all of them, to try to discuss pointers ...

    although ,i must appreciate that most of the members discussed it well and shared their thoughts about the pointers with us .

    @Expakistani ,
    as i have already written ,i am sick and tired of MQM bashing or Jamat and PTI bashing .
    i just wanna discuss something new and refreshing.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 4:47 #

  7. Salam
    member

    beenai

    anything for shaping up old minds program or reforming/transforming old minds?

    perhaps a very program got buried under a lot of characters

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 4:54 #

  8. Beenai
    Moderator

    @Salam Dear ,
    shaping old minds is not a possibility i guess .
    minds has already being shaped ....

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 5:01 #

  9. expakistani
    Member

    @Salam

    salam bhai aap ko kia zaroat hey.... wesey hi "mind" ke zarorat hoti hey en chezon ke liay or aap ...kher choro.

    @Beenai

    its may be the best post in days... so keep it up, remember be +ve

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 5:03 #

  10. Beenai
    Moderator

    @Expakistani ,
    thanks a lot .
    i encourage all the members to initiate threads ,worth pondering and thought provoking .

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 5:08 #

  11. singh isking
    Member

    in my opinion this kind of polietness comes if a person has very deep and philosphical understand of human life and rarely it is god gifted in some indviduals.but most of time it used as tool by shrwed or crafty peoples.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 5:13 #

  12. singh isking
    Member

    idealism always sounds good but to practice it needs high virtue of wisdom or vice-versa

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 5:18 #

  13. Salam
    member

    dale carnegie explains these wisdoms in his books with a lot of practical examples and lessons, especially his book "how to win friends and influence people" is a must read

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 5:36 #

  14. choosy
    Member

    mujh ko achai achai kitabon ka shouq hay .
    plus i am very polite ..:):):)

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 5:48 #

  15. choosy
    Member

    iss mein polieness ki baat ho rahi thi ..iss liye koi nahin aaya ..iss thread ko agay barhany ...:):):)

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 10:23 #

  16. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @SufiSoul: I can't.

    I thought of a method, an already used method of people in old times. They used to eat between Maghrib and Isha, and as soon as Isha prayers were done, they would go to sleep.

    The problem is, I can't sleep early. I need much practice in sleeping early.

    One can find 8hrs of uninterrupted sleep between Isha and Fajr for most part of the year.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 10:27 #

  17. choosy
    Member

    @Sufisoul ,
    bhai aalarm laga lo.
    yah aisi jagah shift ho jao jaahan Masjid ka loud speaker Fajar Prayers kay sath tumko jaga day .
    asan ...
    mein bhi Fajir kay waqat aisay hio uthta hon.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 10:30 #

  18. Mirza Ghalib
    member

    How did China become the world's number one superpower wo fast? Here's how: China's moral code of Eight Honours:

    Love the country; do it no harm
    Serve the people; never betray them
    Follow science; discard superstition
    Be diligent; not indolent
    Be united, help each other; make no gains at other's expense
    Be honest and trustworthy; do not sacrifice ethics for profit
    Be disciplined and law-abiding; not chaotic and lawless
    Live plainly, work hard; do not wallow in luxuries and pleasures.

    We could adopt this without modification to fashion our own attitude towards Pakistan. And the Chinese patriotism code is wholly Islam-compatible.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 13:10 #

  19. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    We don't need Chinese code of conduct as justification for Islam's principles.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 13:19 #

  20. choosy
    Member

    @ bhai ,
    laro nahin ;dekh tou lo koi keh kiya raha hay ???

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 13:29 #

  21. Mirza Ghalib
    member

    choosy, thanks. You understood where hariskhan just skipped over the lines in question. Look before you leap is also good advice for us dedicated bloggers.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 13:43 #

  22. achtung
    Member

    mirza ghalib sahib
    mei aap se ittefaq karta hoo ke ham china ya malaysia ke model par amal kar ke bohat kutch hasil kar sakte hei. lutf ki baat ye hy ke agar ham mojoda dour mei taraqi karne wali aqwam ke MORAL CODE ka china ya malaysia ke MORAL CODE sey muqabla karein to wo ziada mukhtalif bhi nahee aur SONEY PAR SOHAGA ye key yeh code islami asoolon se mutsadim bhi nahee.

    laikin aagey barhney ki haqiqi chahat shart hai !

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 17:19 #

  23. Mirza Ghalib
    member

    achtung sahib, aap sahin keh rahen hain. Ye baaten har dimag rakhnewala sakhsh janta hai. Masla sirf amal karne ka hai.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 21:42 #

  24. choosy
    Member

    @Mirza sahib,
    shaping young minds or old minds ,whatever it is .
    only possible when a person has some Mind.
    so trying to make them think and shape their thoughts would be a wasted effort ;i guess .:):):)
    kion ????

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 8:43 #

  25. S.E.Mirza
    Moderator

    @Mirza Ghalib
    Love the country; do it no harm
    Serve the people; never betray them
    Follow science; discard superstition
    Be diligent; not indolent
    Be united, help each other; make no gains at other's expense
    Be honest and trustworthy; do not sacrifice ethics for profit
    Be disciplined and law-abiding; not chaotic and lawless
    Live plainly, work hard; do not wallow in luxuries and pleasures.

    We could adopt this without modification to fashion our own attitude towards Pakistan. And the Chinese patriotism code is wholly Islam-compatible.

    As you said, there is no need for modification is correct. If they are already found in Islam than it is us Muslims at fault by not acting accordingly.

    Our Prophet (pbuh) said 'To gain knowledge go to China even, if you have to'. Although 'long journey' is the focus but I would say, our Prophet (pbuh) was aware of Chinese advance in various fields of knowledge.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 9:21 #

  26. choosy
    Member

    China humara dost hay .
    kiya hum koi achi baat china se seekh nahin saktay ?

    aur aik sawal ;
    kiya koi cheez Pakistan ki bhi aisi hay jo koi dosra mulk hum se seekh sakay ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 9:35 #

  27. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Mirza Ghalib: I was again miss-understood. I did read AND understandd what you wrote. I did read between the lines. I replied after I did.

    I believe, Islam's ideology is far! more powerful than Chinese.

    Yes, they have the practical examples we can see right now. Muslims have nothing to show for their ideology right now.

    The loyalty to our ideology (Quran-o-Sunnah) matters far more than learning lessons from others, if we are to make progress.

    @choosy: Kyoon nahi ? Seekh sakte hain.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 9:39 #

  28. choosy
    Member

    hum Chinese jaisa khana kha saktay hain .
    Chinese jaise mehnat nahin kar saktay .

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 9:59 #

  29. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Mirza Ghalib: @choosy: Our justice system is the best in this entire Universe. IT! is our powerhouse.

    Chinese have nothing like that. Chinese are working on borrowed ideology.

    We have our own political, social, financial, judicial system.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 10:01 #

  30. choosy
    Member

    acha bhai .
    aap tou hi kah rahay thay na kay haan china se seekh saktay hain ....

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 10:07 #

  31. Mirza Ghalib
    member

    Much ado about nothing. I thought I could advantageously add the Chinese 8 Honours for the young to the Muslim philosopher Azim Premji's precepts for youthful minds offered by Beenai, and once again found myself caught up in a slanging match. Whatever for?

    Thank you choosy for your classy comments. Thank you Moderator for your wise reminder about the Prophet (PBUH) and China. Brilliant, both of you!

    I'll add as well that China has had a Muslim population for centuries. China's greatest seeman and explorer was Admiral Zheng He, a Muslim. China's Uighur population, which is regularly incited to violence by the CIA, is Muslim. After the Zardari election, the first Pakistanis to visit China officially were leaders of the Jamaat-e-Islami party.

    Had I quoted words by Thomas Paine or then some sneering Britisher or anyone else out of the vicious West, no one would have found anything to complain about. It was China, the world's number one power, which set you off. I feel quite sad to think how backward and divided we still remain in our loyalties.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 13:04 #

  32. aftab
    Member

    This would be a good post to put up on the main PKP homepage because lately people have been doing a lot things that are not suited to the sanctity of this forum, i am also guilty of violating the rules.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2010 13:51 #

  33. choosy
    Member

    @Mirza sahib,
    thanks for your compliments .
    otherwise ;most of the members thinks that i alaways been illogical ;actaully they feel to go into the depth of my posts ...u did it ...and got it ...:):):)
    u must have heard ;great minds thinks alike ...:):):)

    shaping minds is a good idea .
    and why not we all add some points into it ...
    what we have learned out of our own personal expereinces ???/
    is it possible ??/

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 6:28 #

  34. Beenai
    Moderator

    @Choosy ,
    yes ,sure u can do it .any body can share his/her personal learnings in the form o pointers ,in order to put some food for thought here ...
    rather focusing on personal bashing on leaders or each other .
    please go ahead every one .

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 6:33 #

  35. Salam
    member

    i am trying to shape up few young minds that are under my responsibility but i observe that they get much more influenced under prevailing social order in school/society-

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 6:53 #

  36. choosy
    Member

    yahi tou apka challenge aur kamal hoga Salam bhai kay aap unko society kay buray effects se kiasay bacha kay aik acha insan banaty hain?

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 6:57 #

  37. Salam
    member

    sure, it is challenging and requires patience and perseverance

    kind of like swimming against the current at times-

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 7:09 #

  38. choosy
    Member

    mera point ;tajraby ka nichor ;

    Kam Bolo gay tou khush raho gay .
    we have two ears and one tongue ;so we can hear more and say less ......

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 7:16 #

  39. choosy
    Member

    Har Baat Hans kay Suno
    Hans kay kaho ...

    hans kay kaho gay tou talkh baat bhi meethi lagay gi.
    hans kay suno gay tou talkh baat bhi guzara ho gi.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 7:17 #

  40. Salam
    member

    yes, indeed. these are universal principles-

    there is a chapter in the book of Allah swt called Luqman (#31), Allah swt calls him a wise man and we can read the advices Luqman AS gave to his son in this book-

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 7:33 #

  41. psycho
    Member

    Youth mind can't be shape untill:-

    I believe the best ever literature, which can reshape not only the young mind but the mind of whole humanity is Quran and the sunnat of Holly Prophet and a Society with Principles of Islam.

    U can see from history whenever such society existed on earth, every mind who comes on earth is always changed mind.

    A literature can't change the mind of youth untill something practical,

    Now i tell u what is practical

    Kids seeing Indian films on TV, That's the literature which they see on TV and democratic system provide them enough space for making practical to date with Girls.

    A system is necessary with literature to reshape mind of Y0ongs.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 8:03 #

  42. Mirza Ghalib
    member

    Indeed, choosy, great minds think alike. On this particular topic you gave me precious support. I am in your debt. And your sense of humour and brevity are appreciated. Not to worry.

    Salam - If you have the marvellous job of being a teacher, never to get discouraged, please. Seems as though one is making no headway at all at times. And then suddenly maturity hits even the most backward student. And you see the results of what you have sown so patiently.

    Psycho - There has been talk of a ban on Indian films recently. We should certainly go ahead with enforcing it. India is in even a worse crisis of identity loss than we are in Pakistan. We should safeguard ourselves.

    Beenai, all together, we'll do our best, both with young minds and older ones. Thanks for giving us a chance.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 8:48 #

  43. choosy
    Member

    @Mirza sahib,
    thank you ...yes great minds think alike ,and right now ;there are only two great minds out here ;you and me...:):):):)

    by the way ;mein ne aiasa kuch bhi nahin kiya jo aap itna thankful ho arhay hain aur mujh ko sharminda kar rahay hain...

    here some members hate me and some love me ...

    some members hate me and i m thankful to them.
    they never make me forgot that i m not perfect ...

    some members love me and i m greatly thankful to them.
    they never make me feel inferior and unwanted ...

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 9:00 #

  44. choosy
    Member

    anybody taking notes of my Golden words ???:):):)

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 9:02 #

  45. Mirza Ghalib
    member

    Sure, all of us taking note, busily. But where is HK? Do you know? I didn't mean to embarrass you. So sorry. But I was sincere. So we'll let the matter close, shall we? But not before I add: a sense of balance, see. That's what emerges from your some-hate-me, some-love-me words above. Just carry on the great job. It's all worth it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 9:32 #

  46. choosy
    Member

    @Mirza Sahib,
    thanks ,about taking notes ;i was kidding ...
    i just wanna ppl to stop for a moment ,read what i have tried to wrote and thats it ...:):):)

    yah Balance is the key ...
    if one lost the key ,it lose the grip on every thing .
    like Govt has lost the same key...
    and its hanging no where .....
    going no where ...

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 9:44 #

  47. psycho
    Member

    @Mirza Ghalib

    I hate indian film, They are destroying us

    I only want clear the situation how to reshape the minds of young, In democratic system u can't change the minds, untill the establisment of just society.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 10:52 #

  48. Mirza Ghalib
    member

    There again great minds meet. Indian films are the epitome of vulgarity. We should avoid them like the plague. I don't know what should come first: democracy or a just society. Now look how they've imposed "democracy" on Iraq. So who's to say what's right. Like choosy says above: Pakistan's govt in any case has lost its sense of balance. But this small matter of a ban on Indian films is wholly within the possibilities of even a ghatya government.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 12:07 #

  49. choosy
    Member

    @Mirza Ghalib,
    @I don't know what should come first: democracy or a just society.
    u must have heard an old poet versus;

    Insaaf iss liye nahin kay dil saaf nahin
    Dil saaf iss liye nahin kay Insaaf nahin

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 12:12 #

  50. RhyMe
    Members

    Im my view,two important factors that can be highly regarded in shaping young minds,under present sorrow conditions of Pakistan,are Patience nd thankfulness...which we have almost excluded from our lives and need to have em back...

    1-Patience to deal with hardships and trials we are facing today...as God loves His ppl who show patience when they are subjected to any adversity and then He rewards em back for that...

    2-Thankfulness on even little blessings we have that many in the world lack and God himself says in Quran that He will reward more to those who are thankful to Him...

    If a person whether young or old today develops these two qualities in himself then i think definately it would bring many positive changes in his personality and he would deal with the matters in a better way...

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Mar 2010 12:21 #

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