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  1. Fahim23
    Member

    Pakistan people's party is the only genuine national political party which has strong support in every part of country including Kashmir. The exclusiveness of this party is in its dedicated worker, grass root level organization, and charismatic intelligent leadership.

    Although most of us are still waiting for the fulfillment of the promises made to them by the current government, but still the democracy (won yet again by the people of Pakistan) has already brought some (not even near to enough) positive changes to the country.

    We should not forget that the government inherited serious challenges (law and order, liquidity crunch, food and energy crisis etc) on hundreds of different fronts, and expecting overnight changes were unrealistic. However, there were many steps which could have been taken by the government (some of which are taken)to immediately relief the poor.

    SHORTCOMINGS (SO FAR) OF PPP LED GOVERNMENT

    1. Murree Declaration

    The probably biggest blow to the credibility of PPP government which even shattered the hardcore PPP supporter is the backtrack of current PPP leadership from Murree declaration. If this issue is not compensated appropriately, it will haunt the PPP government in future.

    2. Image projection and Media consultancy.

    The mainstream media has always targetted PPP and its the only party facing medai trial since its inception (Kaffir, security risk, power hungry etc are some of the names affiliated with PPP). It is very surprising that when PPP was attacked heavily in the media by the charges of "Deal with dictator" and "NRO", and her rivals such as PMLN and APDM were apparently on higher moral ground, they won the 4th (out of 10) election and eventually led the nation into peaceful and smooth transition of democracy. However, no one can deny that PPP government has been unable to deal effectively in the media and needs to work alot on this aspect.

    3. Lack of efficient governance

    Compunded with lack of effective media counterattack, the inefficiency of government in controlling the floor smuggling, control over the load shedding and mismanagement in law and order has been damaging the credibility of government and causing frustration and disappointment in the people.

    4. Marginalizing the genuine PPP leadership

    For some reasons the current PPP leadership has preferred non-elected members like Rehman Malik, Farook Naik and Hussain Haqqani over Aitzaz Ahsan, Raza Rabbani, and Farhatullah Baber etc. Though this is prorogative of PPP only but in the game of perception, this step is not welcomed by the general public.

    ACHIEVEMENTS (SO FAR) OF PPP-LED GOVERNMENT

    1- Support price of Wheat from 650 to 950 Rs.

    In order to deal the on going food crisis, the government for the first time at least in last decade has announced the radical increase in the supoprt price before the corp is hatched in the fields.

    2- Benazir Income Support Program

    The government has started Benazir Income Support Program to help 4 million poor families throughout the country.

    http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55801&Itemid=2

    3- Benazir Youth Program

    Program to hire about 100,000 youth after getting free technical education from the government.

    http://www.sindh.gov.pk/BBSYDP.htm

    4- Sovereignity of Parliament

    The government has tried to reinforce the sovereignity of parliament by taking following steps:

    a- For the first time the military budget was discussed in the parliament.
    b- President addressed the parliament after long time in which the president promised to withdraw his powers back to parliament.
    c- In-camera session on War on terror.
    d- For the first time in the parliamentary history of Pakistan, the chairman of accounts committee is made from Opposition, which will certainly help curbing the problem of corruption at government level.

    5- Balochistan Policy

    One of the notable achievements of this government is the pacification of insurgency in Balochistan and InshALLAH recent developments such as relasing Sardar Akhtar mengal and other baloch leaders, withdrawing politically motivated cases of baloch leaders, and requesting pardon to the people of Balochistan will help bridge the wide gaps between Balochistan and rest of country.

    6- Mega Housing Projects

    About 10,00000 houses will be built by this government and this project has already been started to accommodate low grade goverenment officers and poor people of Pakistan.

    http://pk.chineseembassy.org/eng/zbgx/t514601.htm

    There are some other mega and mini projects such as Thar coal project, Iran-Pakistan pipeline, Keti-Bandar port and some short term dams are promised by the government, but since they are not yet started in implementation phase so not discussed here.

    Any suggestions will be highly appreciated.

    Regards,

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Oct 2008 3:16 #
  2. Adonis
    Member

    @ Fahim23

    Welcome back after a long time...

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Oct 2008 5:36 #
  3. "There are some other mega and mini projects such as Thar coal project, IPI piple, Keti-Bandar port and short term dams"

    Bro, you are living in Lalaland, these projects have been planned for years, and, work started to get these going long before Benazir even came to Pakistan.

    I can give you thousands of such "mega projects" for every govt. which were nothing but on paper.

    Dont give me any crap which hasnt been done yet. For example, do not praise your president for PROMISING to give back the powers to parliament. Come boast about it WHEN he actually does it (Which he wont).

    Here as some further accomplishments for you and the great intelligent leadership of PPP.

    Inflation:

    Feb 2008 - 14%
    September 2008 - 30%

    Foreign exchange reserves:

    Feb 2008 - $16 billion
    October 2008 - $7.7 billion

    Karachi Stock Exchange:

    Feb 2008 - 15000
    October 2008 - 9000
    (Where it has been frozen, wait for it to crash below 8000 if the freeze is lifted on Oct. 27th, which I doubt they will lift)

    State bank borrowing has more than doubled.

    Ratings by Moodys and Standard and Poor have been lowered twice.

    Price for Credit Default Swaps (kind of like insurance against default by Pakistan on bonds and other debt) has more than tripled.

    IMF loans were stopped in 2004 and since then we havent borrowed from IMF or World Bank.

    Now, we are going to go back to the IMF for $6 billion in loans (soon, within a few weeks) despite the fact that American aid has been doubled. This was decided after Zardari going to the Chinese and Saudis with a begging bowl didnt yield any results.

    And to see how popular PPP is and how national or international their support is, wait for the next elections, just wait for it, or even the next IRI or Gallup survey. Muslim league is gonna kill the PPP. Big time. (Popularity is a variable thing, and, fluctuates greatly with time. Its very hard to maintain popularity when one is in power)

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Oct 2008 6:29 #
  4. Fahim,

    Welcome back to the forum after a long time…..good to see u here again.

    Congrats for being the first ever logical, rational ,open minded supporter of PPP….
    As I always come across those supporters of PPP, who are emotional ,illogical ,close minded and blind followers …..
    Anyways…thanks for being rational …..
    Thanks for admitting the reality that PPP also have its lose ends ….otherwise I have always seen those supporters of PPP…they say ..if PPP is doing mass killings ..its the biggest national party ,so it’s the right of PPP to kill masses….
    Now coming to your factual points and comments there on ….
    My comments are in brief pointers here …..

    1.that was the biggest mistake of PPP ,that it has stroked a deal with a dictator….and hence lost its image as an anti dictator party ….deal is a thing ..damaged party popularity very badly in the life of BB already….deal was first denied than accepted by BB …so her popularity graph gone down in her life time…we can see IRI surveys ..when she was alive ….but have done a deal with Mush ….

    It indicates in the results of general elections 2008,Rawalpindi ,where she was killed …
    Not a single wave of sympathy gone to that level ,where a pindi voter thought of voting her soul …..they voted …whom they have already decided to….her murder never make majority of residents of that area to think otherwise …..
    Though the world papers were full of her murder stories and pictures but in her own home ,how popular she was …we can see from Pindi angle ….
    She has lost her charm as a popular leader inside Pakistan ….before she lost her life.

    2.PPP graph gone down further after their decision to follow Mush policies on war on terror and other crucial issues …ppl voted them with a hope ..that they will make a change ..they ,some how ,failed to do so ..so far ….
    And no intentions as such in near future to make a change anyways…..

    3.PPP graph further gone down after their decision to leave Musharraf without any impeachment …u may call it out politics or whatever …but Nawaz has played his shots well ….in this regard ,for asking and shouting for his impeachment …but PPP opt for his graceful exit ……it seems like they were hand bound by NRO indemnity give and take.

    4. as far as Benazir support program is concerned ..it would be a nice idea ,if Zardari has started that program ,with trillions of dollors he already owns and now just got as a sole beneficiary of BB s murder …. In that case amount would have been much reasonable than a RS 1000 per month …which is the proposed amount of that program …it’s an insufficient amount of money for a single woman …keeping in view ..how much rupee has fall down…
    Right now …technically.. its public s own money..which have been decided to given to public …in the name of BB…..anyways .

    5.as long as media and PPP is concerned …
    They have to handle the genie through their own tactics ….
    Otherwise …they would have been labeled as bad as Mush ..when it comes to handling media and its independence …
    So they are playing it tactfully …
    For example ..they have purchased Dr.Shahid Masood …
    And hence got rid of his show Mery Mutabiq….

    On other fronts ..they are offering attractive Govt posts to Hamid Mir and Talat Hussian …but these gentle men ,some how resist to accept it and chose to be whatever they are right now…but who knows …how long they resist ???????/

    In the end …I accept that yes they have got power shortage ,water and wheat crisis and financial crunch from previous Govt ….
    But we have voted for them …just to handle it …
    Not for them to go for renovation of ministers colony ….having joy rides and free trips to London and dubai ….
    There are no intentions we can see from PPP to handle it in the near future too…..

    Thanks again for being logical as PPP supporter …
    I am still in shock….
    Keep writing here …..
    We need balanced bloggers like you ….

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Oct 2008 7:05 #
  5. Fahim23
    Member

    Dear Adonis and Ms. Beenai, AOA

    Nice to see you guyz again, and thanks for remembering me.

    @Ms. Beenai,

    In my humble effort to educate you with the structure of PPP I would like to let you know that PPP has vast ground of genuine idealogical (Islamic socialism and leftist) workers beside charismatic leaders, an exclusiveness if we compare it with other national parties. Yes, the zamindar and industrialists have penetrated in the PPP but still most of the PPP leaders are genuine hard working political workers. Take the record of all current political parties and compare it with PPP you will easily find that only this party has fought with establishment of our country and actually sacrificed. The sacrifices for democracy are not only offered by its leaders but in greater quantity by the workers (Movement against ayub led by Bhutto in West pakistan. MRD movement against Zia, and ARD against Musharaf).

    I'll agree with you to the extent that the PPP was attacked by the words of deal and NRO in the media from the start of 2007 and it did affected its popularity but this too couldn't damage it severely. In support of my argument, I'll request you to see the welcome of Mohtarma on 18th October. I just wonder, if the media has supported her instead of attacking PPP what would have been the crowd then?

    I'm pretty optimistic with the future of Pakistan, and InshALLAH after 1 or 2 years things will return back to normal and we will start developing further.

    @Secular-pakistan

    I agree that they are about a decade old programs and unfortunately still not implemented. Let's hope and pray that this time around they start getting materialized, as they are in the benefit for our nation as whole. For example, that coal project (if we just take its ecological sideeffects aside) has the potential to cater 50% of the energy needs for at least 100 years.

    We all should force this government and pray that by the end of its tenure, we make significant progress on:

    1- Law and order situation (War on terror)
    2- Economic crisis
    3- Balochistan insurgency
    4- Kashmir
    5- Education (which should be on top in my personal opinion)

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Oct 2008 3:22 #
  6. nazia
    Member

    Good shot beenai
    but it clearly shown that yours logical point has no effect on illogical love of Fahim.it is again true that love is blind ,deaf and dumb too thats why he dosnt care what is going wrong in PPP.
    I can only request to Fahim , ok we accept its not easy for PPP to end the mess of military rule so PPP adopted undemocratic culture to sustain its control on state affairs but please PPP jiayalas who now occupied all top seats in management should at least show their love to BB and dig out her murders.She was killed in daylight among her cover up of jiyalas,in her car, surrounded by old companions.She had a an advisor to security who is now all in all responsible in the interior ministry.Defence minister is pure PPP breed .Under these two ministries all intelligence agencies are working and digging out terrorists on daily basis so why not they are not bothering to search for BB killer, even UN has already refused their illogical demand.
    The PPP had lost two his leaders under general's rule but both time they never dare to challenge or impeach any general in their so called sovereign parliment.Its history not my opinion that they had deals with military govts and generals for their power transfer and again histroy showed that in return thy accepted deadbody to occupy top seat
    Now I say that PPP politics is nothing more than Dancing on dead bodies.Benazir taught this lesson to his loving caring husband and now he is doing same.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Oct 2008 4:48 #
  7. @Fahim,
    ur post disappointed me a lot....
    u have lost logical support to ur stand....
    i am giving u reference of IRI survey after BB ha dcame and had done a deal with Mush.
    u r trying to take me in time machine past zone..when on Oct18, BB was welcomed.
    anyways ...
    on Oct18..it was a blood shed ..which was pre planned ...
    as BB was disappeared from the car and from a secret route she had been send to Bilawal House...where she did a press conference....

    2.u have said PPP has gone through a lot of struggle...nobody has a single doubt about it.
    but after that much of Qurbanis ...we expect them to be a fighter not a loser.
    3.PPP definately wud had great leaders but Bhtto and his daughter has been killed and Amin Fahim, ND Khan,Raza Rabbani and Naheed Khan and Safdar Abbasi has been side lined by the party ...
    so now we can only see dumb females like Sherry Rehman,Farzana Raja,Mehreen Raja,Fouzia Wahab and Shazia Murree representing the PPP .....
    do u equate them to Bhuttos ????
    or accept them as subsitutues of Amin Fahim and Aitzaz Ahsan?????
    if u do so ...u r great .......
    3.Nazia has a very valid point...
    if Mr.Rehman Malik can chase militants in rugged areas like Waziristan and Khyber .
    why not he put some efforts to find ppl behind BB s death?????

    @Nazia,
    Rehman Malik is too busy...
    he cant waste time to find BB s killers...
    he wants a working relationship with them.
    u know what i mean>?

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Oct 2008 5:20 #
  8. Fahim23
    Member

    @Ms. Beenai,

    I didnt quite understand your statement

    "on Oct18..it was a blood shed ..which was pre planned ...
    as BB was disappeared from the car and from a secret route she had been send to Bilawal House...where she did a press conference...."

    It sound as if you are implying that the Mohtarma and PPP's leadership who was present on the bus that night did that to itself (Please correct me if I am wrong). Surprisingly it is not "surprising" to me as I have seen some people stretching their imaginations to that extent.

    Anyways, the point I was trying to make was that, their has been momentary ups and downs in the popularity of PPP but our national history shows that out of 10 elections 4 times PPP has won and almost always except 97 election, it has won most number of votes. Beside, every time PPP has won the elections are termed as relatively free and fair by national and international media (for ex, 70s, 88s, 93s, and 08's). PPP was also winner in 2002 elections despite heavy rigging but was not allowed to form government and PMLQ formed it with the majority of just single vote. So, actually PPP has won 5 out of 10 elections.

    Mr. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto is the political role model for me, beside him I admire Dr, Mubashar Hassan, tariq Ali, Haneef Ramay, Mairaj Khalid, Benazir Bhutto, Makhdoom Javed Hashmi (PMLN), Aitzaz Ahsan etc in pakistani politics. I certainly do not equate Ms. Sherry Rehman, Fauzia Wahab, Farzana Raja, Shazia Murree etc, however, I do respect them and acknowledge their capabilities.

    @Ms. Nazia

    It is very unfortunate that the killers of Mr. Liaquat Ali Khan and Mohtarma Benazir bhutto are yet to be exposed. PPP is serious about it and that's why they have gone to United nations for the investigation of 27 dec 07. UN has agreed to form a commission to probe this case. They do not have their own capacity to investigate such events, the commission will be similar to what was formed for Mr. Rafik Harriri of Lebanon. Soon InshALLAH the nation will know who was behind that tragic event.

    I think PPP is in power after free and fair elections that took place on 18th Feb 08 not because of any deal. It has never been in power after so called "deals". Just to give you PPP's point of view, I would request you to read the last book of Mohtarma. You will know that PPP was engaged in dialogues with last military dictator of our country and was demanding three things:

    1- Free and fair elections
    2- Independant election commission, and
    3- removal of ban on third time primiership.

    PPP never demanded NRO, although it demanded from government to relinquish the politically motivated cases against its leadership due to which AZ spent 11 and half years in solitary confinment/jail along with other leaders such as PM yusuf raza gillani, Naveed Qamar, etc. The ex PM Nawaz sharif and his close buddy Saif-ur-rehman publically admitted that those cases were politically motivated. Musharaf in order to facilitate MQM and Q-league leaders and to defame PPP unilaterally signed NRO.

    PPP has lost 4 Bhuttos (ZAB, BB, Shahnawaz who was poisoned in France and Murtaza Bhutto who was killed in Karachi) and of many of its leaders (Abdullah Murad, Munawwar Hussain Suhrawardy etc) and thousands of workers.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Oct 2008 6:18 #
  9. @Fahim,
    i also not at al lfeeling surprised about ur stand without any logic ....
    its the usual habbit of PPP supporters....
    to support PPP blindly with no grounds.
    anyways ...correct me if i am wrong that why PPP Govt has taken back its FIR about Oct18 incident,known as Karsaaz blast...which was filed by BB herself....
    u have to go to Dawn Metropolitin Archieve and find the details that how PPP Govt is trying to pushing itself away from Karsaaz investigations ...
    if PPP is now all in all...thier President..thier PM...thier speaker..thier chief of army staff ,thier CJ Hameed Dogar ....why they r afraid of investigations????
    DAL mein kuch kala hay ....
    PPP kay jhunday hi mein kala hay ..kiya karein????
    why it has been stopped???
    u have to ask the ppl u have great regards for....
    PPP definately had a great record of Qurbanis but had cash it on already....
    so balance is zero now.....

    thanks for removing the impressions of my wishful thinking that a PPP supporter can be logical about his /her political opinions .....

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Oct 2008 9:46 #
  10. Adonis
    Member

    @faheem

    "Musharaf in order to facilitate MQM and Q-league leaders and to defame PPP unilaterally signed NRO. "

    But PPP could have refused to take any benefit from NRO. PPP could have argued that it wanted to clear its name and therefore could have requested the courts to throw out these cases on merit. If Pakistani judges like CJ Iftikhar were not acceptable to PPP, still it could fight the cases in Spain, Switzerland and UK. Acquittal from these countries would have really boosted the credibility of PPP leadership not only in Pakistan but all over the world.

    I wonder why PPP chose to 'defame' itself as you have said and decided to benefit from NRO !!!!

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Oct 2008 10:28 #
  11. @Adonis,
    dont u know that PPP i sthe most Majbor and helpless party of Pakistan...
    it took the NRO by force...
    it gave the Indemnity to MUsharraf by force...
    it took the Deal between MUsh and PPP by force.
    and now are taking daily advices from Richard Boucher by force...
    POOOOOOOOORRRRRR PPPPP....

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Oct 2008 10:54 #
  12. Insider
    Member

    lol wow secular just blasted away any reason to support PPP. maybe he should start his own party!

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Oct 2008 20:08 #
  13. Fahim23
    Member

    @Adonis

    Personally I don't like NRO, but it has never been demanded by PPP. PPP's take on NRO is that, its leadership has been victimised and suffered unjustly without any conviction. So, if the people who were responsible for the victimisation themselves withdraw these cases then PPP does not have any problem. Out of 14 cases against AZ which were going on in Pakistani courts, in 10 cases he has got acquittal and never convicted even once.

    Mohtarma was probably the only prime minister in the world who has been fighting the trials in three countries at a time.

    Beside, unfortunately in Pakistan, things have been gone too wrong that noone can possibly do justice. It is very important for our nation to burry our past and move forward. MQM was the bitter enemy of PPP, and it is the only party which has directly targetted and killed PPP workers. But, for the greater sake of province and the nation it was much more important to reconcile with MQM then to take revenges. Now, Alhamdulilah due to far sightness of PPP's leadership things are improving and the process of integration has been put on fast track.

    It's very strange that the PPP leadership (from ordinary workers to leaders) is victimised, they spent years in solitary confinement and go through tortures in the jails and their worst enemies being in government in full power (2/3rd majority and one man rule) could not prove any things in 10 years. Finally, they unilaterally withdraw the cases and the blame still goes on PPP!

    @Dear Ms. Beenai

    You wrote:
    "correct me if i am wrong that why PPP Govt has taken back its FIR about Oct18 incident,known as Karsaaz blast...which was filed by BB herself...."

    I think I can update your information here that: Mohtarma on 21st oct sent an application to file FIR in Bahadarabad against which the then government contacted High courts to stop this. This government has filed a fresh application in accordance with Mohtarma's application and the letter that she wrote to General musharaf.

    For details please read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2008/10/081017_karsaz_case_fir.shtml

    I hope you stand corrected.

    Unfortunately, Pakistan's intelligence agencies and investigation departments are utterly incapable to perform their duties. They are only good at working against its own people and engaging themselves in petty issues. I wish we can rely on our own insitutions.

    PS: I am glad to know that you are gracious enough to admit that PPP has some sacrifices for this nation.

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Oct 2008 1:18 #
  14. Adonis
    Member

    @ Fahim

    The point is that even if the rulers were willing to withdraw cases, the perception among many Pakistanis is that PPP leadership had indeed indulged in massive corruption. To remove that perception, it was necessary that PP leadership should have preferred to be acquitted through legal process.

    If one is innocent then one always want to clear one's name and that can only be done if the courts declare you innocent. This has not happened now and this is what has hurt PPP and enhanced the perception of its corruption. It was an extremely stupid political decision and will haunt PP for a long time. PPP's continued opposition to CJ Iftikhar and other independent judges is also cementing public misgivings about it.

    As for zardari's sudden splurge of forgiveness and reconciliation, it seems quite superficial. The PPP people from sindh whom I have met all are still very distrustful of MQM and are not willing to forgive it which is quite natural. This bonhomie is not going to last.

    The only proper way for reconciliation is to have a truth and reconciliation commission to grant pardons to only those who appear before it and admit their crimes. All others must be prosecuted.

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Oct 2008 5:17 #
  15. @Fahim,
    nobody can be that forgetful to ignore Bhutto as initier of neuclear program...
    and his initiatives about ISLMAIC COFERERENCE at Lahore...etc
    but on the other hand we also not have that short memories about BB eras of corruption at a mass level....
    Surray palace documentry by BBC with the title of Princess and Play Boy....
    BB s stand to support US all along at any and every length....
    backing out from kashmir issue age old stance at the arrival of Rajev Ghandi in Pakistan....
    BB s last interview to Washington post ,where she has shown her willingness to hand ove AQ Khan to IAEA ....allowing US to attack on northern araes of Pakistan...in short assuring US that she wud have been a better subsitute of US stooge Musharraf...
    and above all her deal with the dictator Mush....
    last nail in the coffin of PPP s popularity....
    and now we can see her hubby..her widower Zardari ...backing out from kashmir stand.
    allowing US to attack Pakistan...
    trying to butter Bush by saying that he is the symbol of peace in the world....

    if u want us to only remember Goods of PPP ..and not the Bads of PPP..
    U r getting a bit too demanding ....
    as thats a reality itself that all the Goods PPP had done is a past...
    in 70s ...all the good has been done by PPP...
    no argument and no doubts...
    now PPP is doing all Bads....
    u must have known the fact that near past and present is easy to recall and refer than the past past....

    ask ur dear party to do something good today...
    so we can remember them with the reference of today too....

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Oct 2008 6:06 #
  16. Fahim,

    Wow. Either you are completely unaware or a big fat liar.

    PPP did not want the NRO? The NRO was drafted up by PPP lawyers. PPP even admitted on asking for the NRO! I dont understand how you can deny it! It was one of the 3 major demands made by BB when she was negotiating with Musharraf. Remember that time when she met with Musharraf in Abu Dhabi too? Or was that just propaganda by Rashid Qureshi? Or was that forced by Musharraf to defame her too?

    Wow. I had never met a jiyala before, until now.

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 0:26 #
  17. Fahim23
    Member

    @Adonis

    I agree with you. There is a strong perception against PPP that it is the only corrupt party in Pakistan and AZ is the most corrupt person of Pakistan. I'm not aware of him being the most corrupt but I can't rule out the possibility that he has been involved in corruption. One can argue whether he did corruption of 1 penny or of billions.

    I wish things were that simpler in Pakistan and one could have proved its innocence so easily. So often people are either being convicted or even hanged on false grounds in our judicial system. Being the only establishment party who has challenged the status quo, PPP and its leadership has paid heavy price. Even the bitter political rivals of PPP don't deny that AZ is singled out not because of his corruption but because of his affiliation with PM.

    There are many people in our politics this day who has raised their "empires" by siding with dictators and heavy corruption (eg., sharif's and chowdhries) along with some other apolitical tycoons like AKD and Habib group. But you never hear or read about their corruption. In last government, the largest number of debts were waived and the main beneficiaries were chowdhry brothers but where do we hear about their corruption? All the corrupt leaders from PMLN and PPP were brought together under one umbrella of PMLQ, but they are not trialed in media.

    @Secular-Pakistan

    According to my information, NRO was never demanded by PPP in the talks with Musharaf. The NRO was drafted by government and faxed to Mohtarma only then she received legal word from Farook Naik and Latif Khoso on it. I have already presented the three demands made by PPP in talks with Musharaf. Please read the last book of Mohtarma for further details. However, the demand of withdrawl of politically motivated cases was on the table since early 90's. It was always raised at this forum on the grounds that these cases were politically motivated and the leardership has already unjustly suffered because of it.

    The main beneficiaries of NRO were:

    1- MQM
    2- PMLQ
    3- Bureaucracy
    4- PPP
    5- ARMY

    Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2008/02/080227_nro_benefit_zs.shtml

    I think uptil 1992 it was in the lawbooks of Pakistan that if anyone is accused of corruption and the charges could not be proved in 2 years then the accused it acquitted automatically. But this was changed in the NAB ordinance just to prosecute PPP and other political leaders.

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 4:53 #
  18. Fahim23
    Member

    Beside PPP has a golden opportunity this time to washaway all the negative preception.

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 4:57 #
  19. khuldun
    Member

    Mr. Fahim:

    Can you name at least one project, initiative or work of PPP that has directly benefited the common man and Pakistan in general

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 5:54 #
  20. Adonis
    Member

    @ Fahim

    I would again reiterate that if PPP did not trust Pakistani courts, it could have opted to at least clear its name from international courts in spain, switzerland and Uk instead of using NRO benefit there. It could have gone a long way towards clearing its name.

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 6:34 #
  21. Fahim23
    Member

    @Khuldun

    1972 - 1977

    Our constitution
    Nuclear Program
    Steel Mill
    Land reforms
    Simla agreement (which brought back 90,000 soldiers and lost land)
    etc...

    1988 - 1990

    http://www.pppuk.org/1988.htm

    1993 ~ 1996

    http://www.pppuk.org/1993.htm

    2008 - 2012

    1- BB income support Program
    2- Wheat support price
    3- Benazir Youth Program
    so far...

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 8:32 #
  22. Fahim23
    Member

    @Khuldun

    If possible compare these works with any other government of Pakistan, and you will see the difference.

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 8:33 #
  23. Mr. Fahim

    Please dont put references frm the past. The past was from PPP and the present is from Zardari league. So they could not be compared and the achievements you ahve written for their current Govt. is nothing more than a shame.

    You forgot to mention that the current govt. took their stance back on every issue.
    1- Judges Issue..i could say nothing more that shame on them.
    2- First roti, kapra and then judges...what happened to roti...thanks to shahbaz sharif that even in these conditions he mainted roti ar Rs.2 in Punjab why anyone from zardari league failed in delivering such thing.
    3-By elections, first Rehman malik wanted to postpone this and then this phone call and stuff and then they took back all the decisions. what a shame? why there were no investigations
    3- ISI issue, they took back their orders in one night and again Rehman malik is involved but no action.
    4- Marriot hotel blast, again rehman maliks statement found wrong but no action.
    its a long list but the most disgusting thing is:

    Zardari is enjoying everything just because of his late wife Benazir bhutto. If such thing happens with any normal person who really love his family and he gets the authority, what would be the first thing he would do?

    Investigate the truth and bring the criminals to the court.

    but zardari is silent WHYYYYYYYYY?

    Now comes to Rehman malik... He was the security incharge of Benazir, so his failure no. 1 Benazir killed.
    In any developed country if some one is responsible of something and he failed to deliver he quits but guess what...
    Because he was failed and benazir was killed so in reward he was awarded with the security of the whole country.

    The results are not surprising, he failed once again and suiciders blast under his nose in Islamabad but still he has not resigned because he is awarded with the security of pakistan and pakistan is still there so he would only leave when God forbids pakistan will loose its existance.

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 9:57 #
  24. khuldun
    Member

    @ Fahim

    1972 - 1977

    Our constitution
    --They themselves are abusing the constitution... giving zardari the same powers as Mush...if they are so proud of the constitution... why dont they bring it back in its original shape?

    Nuclear Program
    -- As a reward of being the originator of the Nuke Program, what is the PPP government doing with Abdul Qadeer?

    Steel Mill
    -- Who saved the steel mill?? CJP Iftikhar... and how are they rewarding him???

    Land reforms
    -- Land reforms were started by Ayub.

    Simla agreement (which brought back 90,000 soldiers and lost land)
    etc...
    -- A great achievement indeed... no doubt!

    1988 - 1990

    http://www.pppuk.org/1988.htm

    Provided jobs to whom? PPP jahil workers... with utter disregard to merit... as is the case today!
    Lifted bans on unions... hence allowed political activities in universities which are leading to students forgetting education and getting into dirty politics of weapons and gangs!

    1993 ~ 1996

    http://www.pppuk.org/1993.htm
    Sent home by their own Homie president!

    2008 - 2012

    1- BB income support Program:
    -- Instead of providing job opportunities through industry and government expenditure... giving bheek to families??

    2- Wheat support price
    -- Gives rise to inflation!

    3- Benazir Youth Program
    --- dont know!

    When a person doesnt give regard to his own written agreements... what can you expect from him? ZA Bhutto was the best Pakistan had after Jinnah.... her daughter was not 1/10th of what he was and Zardari has always been the parasite and opportunist!

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 11:56 #
  25. I will quit supporting the PPP, if someone let me know, which Party is unanimously the most positive, productive, and popular party out of 80-90 Political Parties and Pressure Groups, working in Pakistan?
    You suggest, I decide.
    Please also name one Leader, whom I could accept as my Role Model?
    I am ready to follow the advice, if it is endorsed by 51% of the members at Pkpolitics.

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 13:16 #
  26. Asif
    Blocked

    No one is saying to stop supporting anyone but held accountable anything done wrong by anyone in the corridors of power or in the media.

    And hail anyone doing anything positive in the corridors of power, media & creating a political awareness in the society.

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Oct 2008 13:54 #
  27. @Khuldun,
    good reply....
    awam ko na sirf bheek di ja rahi hay bulkay unkay apnay paisaon se unhin pe ahsaan dhaar kay BB kay naam pe bheek di ja rahi hay..so they can pray for her and hence try to lighten up her burdens what she did in her life time to manipulate poors..
    @Fahim and Shiekh Sahib,
    nobody is saying that PPP i sthe only corrupt party...
    PPP i sin the category of Corrupt party..which is leading ...
    why leading???
    simple ...more chance to Govern..more Chance to mint money...
    PPP has been the ruling party 4 times...1 Bhutto..2BB and 1 Zardari era.
    although PMLN,PMLQ,PMLF,MQM,ANP,BNP,XYZ....are all corrupt but PPP is beating them any day....

    @dear Shiekh Sahib,
    no one is here to follow actually...
    but it doesnt mean that u shud follow the lowest of the lowest...corrupt of the corruptest....lier of the lier....cheater of the cheater....

    we shud try to change our priorities and choices to give another parties a chance to win.
    why not Imran Khan ???if he is a womenizer ,drunker and playboy ...
    than who is Zardari???Zardari has only one feather in his hat wihch is being the hubby of late BB....
    on the other side Imran has many feathers to his hat...
    dont u want to give him a chance....

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Oct 2008 6:18 #
  28. JS

    Because there is no good party in pakistan so follow PPP
    Because there is no leader in pakistan so we have to follow Zardari, not understandable.

    Even the currently ruling party is not PPP, however they have stolen the name of the PPP.

    Its in human nature that we resist the change so because of this instinct even if you want to follow this so called PPP, Asif presented a good advice that at least criticize your leadership on their wrong decisions.

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Oct 2008 10:03 #
  29. Fahim23
    Member

    @Dear Letsdoit, AOA

    Its your opinion that the current government has backtracked on every issue, I respect that. For me the government has certainly backtracked on muree declaration rest its doing pretty ok. It has kept some promises too. For eg., discussing military budget in parliament, releasing baloch leaders and withdrawing their cases, giving chairmanship of accounts committee to opposition, initiating food support and employment programs for poor, initiating housing schemes, etc. But as in journalism, only when man bites dog is a news similarly the media and opponents only prefer to highlight negative things.

    Mr. AZ has spent 11 and half years in the prison. He has his share of sacrifices for the party. I would agree that he is current chairman of PPP because he was the husband of PM not because of his sacrifices. But if you dispassionately look at the situation after Mohtarma's assassination, it was probably the best choice the party made.

    Certainly, we should not live in the past, but we should not forget to learn from it. The current government is only 6 months old. It could have done better than its current performance. But before elections everybody knew that whoever will be in the stearing seat will face THE SERIOUS challenges and certainly it will take time before things get normal. Like you I too hope and pray that this government succeeds as it is in benefit for all of us as nation.

    @Khuldun

    You are most welcome to disagree, but as a humble student of Pakistani politics, PPP has done far better in performing their duty to serve this country than any other political party of pakistan. It was Mr. ZAB who actually vitalized the poor of this country and gave them political say. If you have any other political party in your mind, which you think is better than PPP and has served this country, please discuss with us.

    @Asif

    I second your suggestion that if someone does wrong we should held him accountable and if someone does good we shall all hail for him. But I hope you will agree that doing it is much difficult than saying it. Our personal inclination and biases create selective memories in our minds. We become blind about when someone we don't like does any good, and exaggerate the small works of someone we like.

    Although there are people among us who with proper use of their wisdom and knowledge transcedns themselves and save themselves from selective memory. Being fair is not easy!

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Oct 2008 11:21 #
  30. @ LetsDoIt,
    This is not a logical objection or answer.
    Let me put this in a simple way.
    People get affiliated to a certain Ideology, Philosophy and School of thought of their choice at a certain age. Once they are hooked up they become addicts.
    A Tobacco addict or an Alcoholic needs some better substitute to avoid the withdrawal symptoms.
    (I know a Sardar Sahib from Jullundher, who was looking for Lassi in New York and it was very hard to put him on Coca Cola)
    Even in countries like UK, France and the USA each political party has a set number of its devotees and this number goes unto 70-80%. There is only 30-20% undecided.
    (In spite of a failed Economic Policy of George Bush and a wrong War of Iraq, 35- 40% people still support the Republican Party in America as their favorite what could be really annoying for a supporter of the Democratic Party.)
    A charismatic leader or a consistent motivation through media and opinion forums like Pkpolitcs, help to make those undecided to change their minds for a break through.
    It is a useless exercise to question anyone why he likes Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharif, Wali Khan, Zardari, Mullah Omer or Osama Bin Laden?
    People's behavior change once they are convinced upon the change for better.
    I support the constructive criticism what could help to mould and change the public opinion in the next elections of Pakistan and drag the voters towards a better Party and a better Leader.
    It depends how analytical, realistic, appealing and positive your criticism is?

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Oct 2008 12:00 #
  31. @Dear Shiekh sahib,
    if the Lassi ,one has become addicted to,got disappered from the market ...and 2 number Karwi ,visibly unhygienic Lassi is replaced by it ...
    than still u wont change ur option to a relatively better drink than 2 number Lassi???
    no matter u got sick and got bad tummy with that Lassi?

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Oct 2008 12:20 #
  32. gm
    Membera

    I will suggest all to move this discussion to
    http://pkpolitics.com/2008/10/13/governance-watch-october-2008/

    that thread is supposed to be specificaly for this purpose.
    Any comments, not linked to the topic wiill be deleted to keep the discussion focused.
    Objective is to highlight positive and negative points and performance of federal and provincial govts. withut the usual bashing based on personal dislike.

    Thanks

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Oct 2008 13:39 #
  33. JS

    Thanks for your reply. Mostly you dont have any logical background for what color you like and what food you eat etc. but please dont mix it with the choice of political party or political personality you follow.

    Educated class always choose or follow a political party on the basis of some logical or ideological back ground. Thats the reason why political parties always present their manifesto and plans before the election otherwise they dont need any thing only JIYAY BHUTOO should be enough. But educated class or civil society must see what they present in their plans and how they overtook those plans when they were in power.

    Now lets talk on the ideological basis of PPP. The most strong thing in the PPP ideology was the CHARISMA of ZA Bhuttos personality and his Roti, Kapra and Makaan and on the basis of this PPP won the first few elections heavily.
    At that moment i have heard (but you must have observed) that everyone having a ticket of PPP won no matter who he was. The only thing which worth was the ticket of PPP not his own personality. So that simply means that the voter belonged to PPP at that time.

    But look at now. This thing is no more there. PPP has lost its trust. Now very few win the election on the basis that they are carrying PPP ticket. I give you examples. Sherpao left PPP but he won his seats that means the voter there belongs to sherpao now and not to the PPP. Laghari back stabbed PPP but he wins the election from his constituency what does that means, voters have more confidence on laghari than PPP. Faisal Saleh Hayat leaves PPP and wins. Now that seat has gone from PPP no matter how much they try.
    There are few other examples also like Raza hiraj etc. That means now its not a party, its a group of few fuedals who are together and with every fuedal leaving the party, the party is loosing its support.so what kind of ideological back ground you are talking of.
    But at the same time you see MQM (though i dont like its leadership) but no matter who ever is coming with their ticket is winning the election. Look at PMLN, a big figure Shiekh Rasheed leaves the party but get nothing not even 10% of the votes, what does that means voter belonged to PMLN not to Sheikh Rasheed.
    Hamid Nasir Chatta, he is a big figure in pakistan politics but when he leaves PMLN he is not able to even secure his own seat from his home. Ch. Ameer Hussain, Son of Zia-ul-haq, Ch. perveiz Ilahi, Ch. Shujaat, many examples shows that PMLN is still carrying voter who is following their ideology not the personalities they have nominated.

    Due to this i have only requested PPP followers who are well educated like yourself to draw your leadership attentions towards this situation and once again try to win the confidence of the voter.
    At the same time you should also see what are you drinking is it Lassi or only carrying the label of Lassi. Anyway it was just my opinion.

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Oct 2008 13:47 #
  34. Asif
    Blocked

    beenai

    thats what is called slow poisoning. so never compramise, or you will be a useless piece of society, as you can be molded to any shape one likes. so no one will pay any attention towards your betterment.

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Oct 2008 13:54 #
  35. Dear Fahim

    Walikum Asalam WR

    My dear i have not objected on the nomination of AZ. I also think its good for the party. I have only objected the presence of un-elected people in the decision making of every big issue.

    Secondly you say that its only 6 month old Govt. my dear no one is expecting wonders from them. every one just wants them to at least see them traveling in the right direction. You could never reach to karachi if you are sitting in a train moving towards peshawar.

    You remember once i said that Amin Faheem is no more in a party now and you told me that no not at all he is the most senior member and this could never happen. Now please tell me what is his role in current politics and he is the official head of the party. If you are not sincere to each other how could you be sincere to us.

    Every other PPP supporter tells on the screen that they have inherited all the problems. I agree but the question is what you have did uptil now with the people who have created such problems for us. You gave him Guard of honor while leaving.

    and lastly what effort they have made at their own to investigate BBs assassination. You are not loyal to your leader but you claim to be loyal to the people of pakistan. how will believe.

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Oct 2008 13:57 #
  36. Fahim23
    Member

    @Letsdoit

    When we agree that the crisis this government has inherited are too deep, then we as nation have to show patience and try to support this government with our critisism and suggestions.

    Pakistan currently is facing two major challenges:

    1- Law and Order Situation

    This government has started a three prong strategy, 1- Dialogues, 2- Economic & Social development, and 3- Use of force. They have called upon "In camera session" which briefed the parliamentarians about the situation especially in the tribal region. For the first time suicide bombing are being openly criticised by every body in the media and extremists are getting isolated and loosing sympathies day by day. But still the situation is not satisfactory, a lot more needs to be done.

    I think if we divide the overall law and order situation into following categories, it will help us to assess the performance of government:

    A- In Pakhtunkhuwah

    Following steps are taken to improve law and order situation: 1- Peace agreements are made between pakistan government and local tribesman(for eg., with Mulana sufi muhammad in Swat, Orakzai agency etc). 2- Local lashkars are being formed to limit the activities of extremists.

    But still there is a clear threat of extremists. The government needs to reduce the dependability on USA and engage with vigorous dialogues with the local people.

    Status- Not satisfactory

    B- In Balochistan

    1- All the baloch leaders are pardoned. 2- The politically motivated cases are withdrawn. 3- Political prisoners are released. 3- Special releif packages are announced for Balochistan. (one is already announced in this governement't budget and another is underway from the president).

    Status- Satisfactory

    C- Rest of country

    In rest of country, Karachi (car theft, mobile snatching) and the rest of Sindh province (kidnapping) had the most serious problem of law and order. Since this takeover of this government, the law and order situation in sindh has improved. Especially the IG sindh, Dr. Shoaib suddle, significantly reduce the ratio of street crome in short time.

    Status- Satisfactory

    Economic Situation

    For immediate relief to the poorest of nation, the government has initiated some programs but they are like aatay men namak barabar. The inflation is unbearable even for the middle class of Pakistan. They also didnt tax the stock exchange brokers which are earning huge profits since last 7 8 years. On positive side they have announced increase in wheat price from 600 to 950 Rs, freezed the military budget and cut the government budget, and are trying to shift the previous government's consumer based policy to production based policy.

    you are free to disagree with my assessment.

    Neither PPP gave guard of honor to the Zia's deadbody nor to the musharaf. We all know that Establishment has always been in power and they have their wasted intrest. We can only get rid of them if we strengthen our political parties.

    They have already gone to UN for the investigation of Mohtarma's assassination. Unfortunately, our intellignce agencies are largely incapable of carrying out any effective and fruitful investigation.

    Makhdoom Amin Fahim is soon going to be made senior minister of Transport and telecommunication. His son who resigned on some grieviences is back in the Sindh cabinet and they both are very much in the party contrary to the predictions that were being made on this forum 6 months ago.

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Oct 2008 18:42 #
  37. khuldun
    Member

    One thing that i dont understand is why the PPP ends up making a joke of itself and leaves all its workers and supporters to do the dirty work and cover up for them.

    Rehman malik makes all sorts of claims and then says the media put it wrong.... zardari says alot of things and then backtracks.... ahmed mukhtar, sharing rehman and makhdoom shad mahmood all acts like KG students who can backtrack on whatever they say and blame everyone else for misunderstanding!

    Amin Fahim is such a sore loser... he is saying that all these crisis are against the PPP government.... idiot... you are in the govt... you have the pres. the governors, the ISI, the police and Security head goof rehman malik and still you are going to blame things on some one else?? i think its time they grew up and owned their mistakes instead of acting like innocent angels all the time...

    Posted 3 years ago on 25 Oct 2008 10:31 #
  38. Deen of Truth
    Member

    Having read some of the comments on this thread and the many others (not all) I thought it necessary to make a contribution:

    This is from the prospective of a noble Muslim with a grasp of Islam looking at the current state of Muslims generally and Muslims of Pakistan specifically and giving them sincere advice.

    In the name of the Allah the Most Powerful, Most deserving of Obedience and the One to be feared the Most.

    I look upon your country and see a land which Allah (swt) blessed with immense resources, one of the top ten producers of wheat, yet the people die of food shortage, , one of the top ten producers of Milk, yet many can not afford to drink it, one of the largest populations but no-one to make use of it and with the 7th largest army but not one man amongst them who has honour and shame.

    Foreign powers abuse your land like the pimp abuses his prostitute, they insult your people and comment that your mothers are less important to you then money,yet your rulers run to them, they use your armies to fight its own people, yet not one of them has any shame. Repeated rulers have come and each has been accused of corruption and damaging your nation, each has bent over more then the one before to serve foreigners over Pakistan's inhabitant's, yet your intelligence never allows you to comprehend, the new is from the old. The power has always been concentrated in either the land owners, business owners or the Army, your history shows a nation which has continued to regress, yet your blind allegiances or political nativity has continued to lead you to chase false solutions.

    Allah the most high, sent a Messenger to you, who brought a complete Deen to guide you in all aspects of life, yet you chose to mock it through ignorance and arrogance. As for the ignorant, they think Islam and life (politics) do not mix, they see politics as something dirty, allowing the same foreigners that abuse them dictate to them the agenda, its definition and ultimately their subservience. Politics is to look after the affairs of people, this can be done in a good or bad way. The Deen that Prophet (saaw)brought, gave the guiding principles and details on conducting public life, be that economic, social, education, ruling, penal code and foreign policy, yet your ignorance means you thought your minds god instead of the guidance forwarded to you and decided you knew more about the 21st century then Allah (swt), and therefore some rubbish taken from this nation and that was better then the divine guidance..NO you never said those words but you defended man made rule though the stupidity of some when they tried to defend democracy and the political nativity of others who try to defend it when their minds where still living under the British occupation.
    Did you ever try to go back to your history and learn, one comment on one thread read: we are in the 21st century, as if to say, the author created himself and the world around him and is in a better position to understand it then the creator of heaven, earth, America, UK and its allies.

    As for the arrogant: they think because they were born in Pakistan and choose to follow its news, they are in a better position to understand their salvation, yet their ego's fails to understand they been there for 60 years and where was their intelligence or realization?
    They think their education in a western school, gives them elevation over others, yet they are so blind that the foreigner powers conditioned them to view the reality around them through the westerners narrow eyes and prepared them like a mother prepares a child, to follow its ideals and as obedient children their masters say a word and they repeat as it were revelation.
    We need America and UK, Musharraf was doing things for the benefit of Pakistan and the new government can bring change. All illusions and mirages. US/UK has never done anything for the benefit of any nation, only for their interests, a simple reading of their guiding principles will tell one that. As for Musharraf, he led the nation into US dominance claiming weakness, why the 7th largest army? If the Philippines can summon the British ambassador without a shred of an Army, then the 7th largest with nuclear power has to beg and bow to its enemies? only cowards can be proud of such a stance, yet they talk to their own like the tyrants of history did.

    It is high time you opened your eyes and learned what your Deen has to offer, does the current financial crisis not make you open your eyes and see the failure of the Western systems? If thinkers in the western lands are questioning their own guiding principles, nations where less then 40% of the population votes due to distrust, yet you Muslims of Pakistan can be so foolish as to follow those who do not believe in their own values?

    Islam offers a comprehensive system for change, Islam is not he Mullah, only the foolish who refuse to study or think themselves too arrogant to do so, think Islam has clergy and they brand that around. There was no clergy inthe time of your Prophet, the rightly guided Khulafa, the Tabie'een and Tabi Tabie'een, it is every Muslims duty to study his Deen.

    Islam is not five pillars, that is the opinion of the ignorant or the foolish, the Messenger (saaw) came with a message, its revelation spanning some 23 years, endless Quran & Hadith dealing with life's issue and you fools deduce 5 pillars and you chose to follow without questioning?

    The prophet established a power in Madina, not by chance but design, he headed that state and conducted its affairs, this is not history lessons, but guidance for humanity, take time to learn. The Prophet (saaw) said: If you have nothing good to say, keep your mouth shut, if you don't understand Islam, at least stop defending or speaking favorably about those matters that contradict Islam.

    Islam is not the MMA in coalition, it is more then that, it is unique and bringing it into existence means US/UK will not be happy with you and cause you pain, but in the long term it is better for you, only if you knew.

    Islam is not terrorists/ terrorism, I read some comments using these slogans, Allah Akbar, the naiveness makes one sick. Western commentators are questioning the whole notion of terrorism, yet some disillusioned people here use that terminology, do you not know this is US/UK war on Islam. They are using this to create a global opinion to justify entering Muslim lands, like I said earlier colonized minds, should I expect more?

    Its time you looked away from the current political circle of subjugation, I saw Bhutto lead your country twice with disastrous consequences (I am sure some who benefited from her rule or those who judge by individual experiences as opposed to impact upon the nation will disagree), she was removed for corruption yet when she returned to ask for another term many were chanting, it was said by our Prophet(saaw): there will come a time when the undeserving will rule you or you will get the rulers you deserve. A person robs the country, is ousted for corruption charges, known to be a liar, allowed husband to take kickbacks from government contracts, gives up nuclear weapons to foreign powers and returns claiming to provide this and that and the Muslims of Pakistan chant her name and cry at her death, why? Only to remain silent when her criminal husband comes to power, and some are still foolish enough to be looking at PPP pr PML, was Nawaz Sharif not ousted for corruption?

    Is it not time for change? Does Pakistan not need an Islamic State? How many will learn about it to understand what it is and how it functions before writing shallow articles not deserving of a response?

    A system that will:
    1) Expel US/UK and other hostile nation embassies from its lands
    2) Spread its Nuclear weapons across the country as a deterrent against any hostile nations
    3) Expel any hostile media outlets
    4) Free itself from the shackles of the IMF and World Bank
    5) Not sell its wheat and produce at the fraction of the price it has to buy back tot he western nations, though corrupt politicians, Yes Mr showkat Aziz.
    6) It will form relations with nations based upon its interests with nation not hostile to it
    7) It will expel US troops, their intelligence agencies and retract any support for the war on Islam
    8) The leadership of Islam will be servants to its people and not servants to its enemies.
    9) Its political leadership will be based on Iman and Taqwa, not based on how much my family and I can clean out from the public funds to build our fortune.
    10) A leadership with a political will and not cowards who will sell their families for their seats.

    Is nit not time for such leadership???

    The last thing I would like to say:

    Allah has full power over all matters but most amongst men know it not (TMQ)

    Posted 3 years ago on 30 Oct 2008 13:56 #
  39. Lets add this to the great accomplishments of the PPP:

    Work on 1000 development projects stopped,80% of all projects adversely affected

    Thursday, October 30, 2008
    By Mehtab Haider

    ISLAMABAD: Work on over 1,000 development projects worth billions of rupees has been halted owing to a massive cut of 65 per cent in fund releases, The News has learnt.

    Actual funds released by the Ministry of Finance were only Rs20 billion in the first quarter (July-September) of 2008-09 under the Public Sector Development Programme (PSDP) against an allocated amount of Rs56 billion in accordance with approved cash plan.

    “This has adversely affected over 80 per cent development projects out of a total of 2,000 projects in PSDP list,” a senior official of the Planning Commission confided to The News here on Wednesday.

    Executive Committee of the National Economic Council (ECNEC) is scheduled to meet on November 6 with Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani in the chair for approving various development projects, but it would also take up the issue of a massive cut in fund releases in the current fiscal year.

    In the wake of financial constraints when the government struggles to keep fiscal deficit within the desired range of 4.3 per cent of GDP, the development sector has once again become a major victim and public sector investment for improving infrastructure would be affected negatively and real GDP growth would fall.

    Ongoing work on all mega projects, especially those related to infrastructure, water and power such as Mangla raising project, has been affected, virtually halting development activities because funds were also slashed in the fourth quarter (April-June) of last financial year 2007-08.

    This correspondent visited the office of Secretary Planning Division Sohail Safdar on Wednesday, who confirmed that actual releases made by the finance ministry stood at Rs20 billion against demand of Rs56 billion in the first quarter of the current financial year.

    “Before ECNEC meeting, we are going to hold a meeting with the Adviser to PM on Finance, Shaukat Tarin, to ask him for a ‘resource envelop’ for the remaining three quarters of the current year,” he said and added it would enable planning managers to set priorities in close coordination with the ministries concerned.

    However, some sources in the Planning Commission insisted that actual releases were only Rs17 billion in the first quarter against allocated amount of around Rs60 billion in accordance with approved cash plan.

    “Fund releases are just 37 per cent of the allocated amount,” a source said and added the minimum cut in releases was borne by development projects of Higher Education Commission (HEC), which was around 11 per cent.

    An official document showed that most affected sectors were water and power, National Highway Authority (NHA) and some others.

    Citing examples, sources said the government had allocated Rs2 billion for revamping and rehabilitation of the irrigation and drainage system of Sindh, but actual releases were only Rs300 million.

    The government allocated Rs4 billion for the extension of Right Bank Outfall Drainage from Sehwan (RBOD-II) but actual releases were Rs600 million. It allocated Rs8.5 billion for Kachhi Flood Canal Project (Phase-I) but released only Rs200 million.

    The government allocated Rs100 million for the extension of Bhakkar Flood Protection Bundi from RD-42-72 Basti Mian Khan to Basti Bakkhar in District Bhakkar but it released only Rs15 million.

    Posted 3 years ago on 30 Oct 2008 15:58 #
  40. Insider
    Member

    they have to stop projects because pakistan has no money. PPP has plundered away all the reserves.

    Posted 3 years ago on 30 Oct 2008 19:00 #

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