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  1. zingaro
    Member

    Today I was thinking that how many thread were started in this forum and how many discussion/debates have been made so far. We have people from different parties and agendas. The most common aspect of every discussion is that every one remained defending his/her party or leader's view point. None of the threads gave us any conclusion or we never see that despite of scandals, corruption & criminal stories, any member dared to change his state of mind and come on the right track. Obviously every view point, policy can not be true or right as light and darkness can never be equal.

    This creates a question about our psychological approach as what are our mental capabilities and vision of life for ourselves and for our country. Can every body ask his/her own self as why he/she has a particular view point and why he/she can't get out of that if found wrong. Why we remain defending the mistakes of our parties, leaders, etc? Why don't we use our own brain and senses granted by Allah SWT..?

    I have not mentioned any party or leader name but my sincere request to every one is sit one day and recalculate the vision of life, political affiliation, and with true honesty find that who and what is good for our country. Please don't consider your province, cast, creed, inherited religious or political beliefs. Just use your own intellect and decide for yourself and for Pakistan.

    May Allah bless you all. Aameen

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 9:42 #
  2. wantinsaf
    Member

    How can you expect result-oriented discussion from those who don't even vote for Pakistan?
    We are not concerned about bringing reforms in our education system,electoral system,judicial affairs,law reforms,tax reforms and do something big for Pakistan.
    We would start result oriented discussion when we would become concerned about Pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 9:48 #
  3. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @zingaro: I am ready to accept my mistakes, openly.

    I have openly accepted mistakes, shortcomings in me, in JI. Is that not so ?

    Lies are infinite. Truth is one.

    I stand with the truth, with impartial, across the board, FAST!, non-discriminatory justice.

    I will not! abandon justice. I will never! compromise on doing impartial justice.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 10:17 #
  4. jaypk
    Member

    @haris...I have openly accepted mistakes, shortcomings in me, in JI. Is that not so ?

    yeh kab huwa meray bhai??? woh taareekhi thread meri nazar say kyun naee guzra??

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 10:21 #
  5. The answer is simple

    We have become psycho, A psycho has no mind to use so
    "Resultless discussions ... Countless threads"

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 10:25 #
  6. @Zingaro bhai ,
    baat apki sola aany sahi hay .
    asal mein result oreinted iss liye nahin hotay kay hum aik generation hain jis ne apni purani generation se sirf batein banana seekhien hain ;kaam karna nahin.
    we believe in ideal world .
    but refuse to put things in order from our end .
    we always wait for some one else to iniate ,then some one else to move ahead ,then some one else to revolt .
    so we can clap for some one else ...
    unfortunately we all are Baton kay Ghazis .:(:(:(

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 10:27 #
  7. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @jaypk: Check this out and the posts above this one;

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 10:33 #
  8. @Choosy

    bohat gehri baat kar di hai muje samj nai a rahi

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 10:36 #
  9. meri batein gehri hi hoti hain .
    samjhany ki hain samjhanay ki nahin meray bhai .:):):)

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 10:50 #
  10. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Political/social /religious discussion are not meant to be result oriented. Everyone has his oponion and such discussioons are a mechanism for exchange of view.

    I am unable to comprehend that what result u expect out of this or such discussion forums. Maximum result is that certain aspect not known / recognized by a member is highltighted by another and vice versa.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 10:56 #
  11. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @zingaro: You are right. The problem is justice. That is the only problem I see with us.

    There is no justice among us, that is why there is so much bickering, so less prosperity.

    For example, we talk endlessly about sister Afia Siddiqui, yet our state has done no justice to her. That is why Pakistan, its people have lost more of their worth.

    70+ % of people jailed in Pakistan today are innocent. That is why Pakistan is loosing its worth.

    Justice has been denied to the common man, for decades. That is why we are at a loss.

    The common man of this nation has been denied justice, that is why we have become worthless as individuals, as a collective, as a state, as a nation.

    Its ALL! about justice.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 10:58 #
  12. tou cheif justice aa tu gaye wapis ;ab justice aur kiase aaye ga?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 11:00 #
  13. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @choosy: CJ of Supreme Court of Pakistan has given directions to be followed by officials, Executive, authorities, state institutions in NRO case.

    Has that been implemented ? or has CJ and the Supreme Court been ridiculed, laughed on ?

    Where is the justice ?

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    (2) ALL over Pakistan, still! there are more than 60 positions of judges, lying vacant. After more than 6+ months! have passed, when the law of the land says appoint new judges within 30 days, what kind of justice do you expect ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 11:01 #
  14. haan ,yeh tu sahi kaha aap ne .
    yahan justice ki koi qadar nahin;justice lott lott kay aa bhi jaye tou koi ussay pochta nahin aur ussko due respect nahin deta hay .

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 11:04 #
  15. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @choosy: (3) When;

    (a) there is no independent prosecutor
    (b) NAB's chairman is changed when he works on the directions of Supreme Court
    (c) ALL criminals are being acquitted

    what kind of justice do you expect ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 11:05 #
  16. @Haris bhai ,
    sahi kaha aap ne ...bilkul ...
    jis mulk mein justice ko qaid kar diya jaye ;apni apni pasand ka justice laya jaye ,constitution ko torr morr kay rakh diya jayee ,wahan justice aa kay karay ga bhi kiya >?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 11:07 #
  17. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @choosy: (4) When Govt. of Pakistan is not bringing forward cases against those who;

    (a) committed treason with this nation, its people
    (b) are happy with embezzlement of billions! of Rupees of state money
    (c) hoarded sugar, exported it, earned billions! of Rupees, while the common man of this nation paid more! for sugar

    what kind of justice do you expect ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 11:08 #
  18. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @choosy: (5) I posted a new on another thread, that only 4 out of 22 in those who stood up for representing people of NA-55 had paid taxes, when the people working in Election Commission allow such people to represent Pakistani people;

    what kind of justice do you expect ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 11:10 #
  19. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @choosy: (6) Only yesterday, I posted a newsclip, which said, a convicted criminal was appointed head of FIA's economic cases wing

    When these kinds of things are happening, no one in Pakistan protests against it, what kind of justice do you expect ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 11:12 #
  20. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @choosy: (7) When Pakistanis' don't protest, when they love! to live under remnants of British colonial era laws, what kind of justice do you expect ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 11:15 #
  21. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Ok, so where is the result ? :D

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 11:59 #
  22. @ Mr. Zingaro,
    "Resultless discussions ... Countless threads"

    Your observation is quite valid.
    I take this scenario as a part of education and a process of evolution.
    Pakistanis got a little bit freedom of expression after a long period of dictatorial restrictions.
    The stomach of the generation fed up on formula milk, takes time to digest pure and full cream milk.
    It is like the crawling stage of a child and might take 5-10 years to make the baby walk and run.
    Your observation is also true about so many Talk Shows and Columns at the Pakistan Media, where most participants appear to ridicule, abuse, fight, cry and shout.
    The main reason for all this mess is a sharp division stemmed by hatred, a vital characteristic of Pakistani DNA.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 12:45 #
  23. jaypk
    Member

    @haris..(1) sideline justice to further their personal benefits
    (2) openly support criminals
    (3) support committing of crimes with persistence

    so you are saying tht these are the qualities of JI?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 12:53 #
  24. jaypk
    Member

    @thread.....this is the begnning...hopefully it ll all be ok...atleast we are learning frm all these discussion and threads...and we have mroe choice now thn before..!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 12:56 #
  25. RajputPuttar
    Member

    YEh jo loog aaj jjustic justice kartey phertey haain unko gross violations of constituion kiyon nahi nazar aati

    a) Chief Justice of Pakistan , Justice Yaqoob Ali Khan was removed by then dicatoator Zia ? Wasn't that injustice ?

    b) Chief Justice of Pakistan , Justice Anwar ul HAq was removed by then dicatoator Zia ? Wasn't that injustice ?

    c) Chief Justuice of Pakistan, Saeed uz zaman siddique was removed by mush ? Wasn't that injustice ??

    d) SC of pakistan allowed Zia to amend constituion . Wasn't that injustice ?

    e) SC of pakistan allowed Must to amend constituion. Wasn't that injustice ?

    f) Large DHA and Askhari colonies , (only one Askari X near Lahore Aiprot has 3500 houses @ 1 crore , comes to 35 billion , Isn't that injustice ?

    Harris mian,

    if u can spoil a thread , others can also do the same .

    And further , 'SELECTIVE JUSTICE IS NOT JUSTICE'

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 13:19 #
  26. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    mian ?

    (1) Did you struggle against Zia at the time ?

    (2) Was I running Pakistan at that time ?

    (3) Why are you going after me for crimes of someone else ?

    I'm not responsible for doing justice in the people of this nation. I hold no responsible public position of the state. Go and bash those who are responsible for it.

    That is what I have never seen you do.

    (4) Your beloved Mr. Zardari / PPP has power in Pakistan right now. Why don't you push them to impart justice ?

    (5) Why don't you tell them to punish those responsible for crimes in Zia's era ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 16:42 #
  27. well the topic says friutless and endlesss discussions and after congragulating the authour for a while it only took us a few hours to get involved in another 1!

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 17:41 #
  28. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    So, what is a result oriented discussion ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 18:20 #
  29. SufiSoul
    Member

    Please allow me to bring a change in historical sayings,that
    if you want to know how organised and behaved the ppl of a country are.Observe thier traffic on the roads of that country..

    NEW is that,observe the threads of discussion of a country's
    participants to know how well behaved and organised they are...
    Here in pkpolitics 95% are living in Pakistan BUT introduces themselves as living abroad....
    Washington DC thon thally koi gal hi nahi kerda....

    ye hy hamari asliyat...

    ZINGARO please analyse our national behaviour on the basis of threads and discussion over here and it requires a separate thread to open..I am sure that will be an eye opener for all...

    :)

    Thanxx

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Mar 2010 21:23 #
  30. zingaro
    Member

    Waiting for others to also participate ...

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Mar 2010 8:43 #
  31. @sufisoul bhai ,
    aap thread kholein ;hum aap kay sath hain.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Mar 2010 8:45 #
  32. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    choosy ka matlab hai, aap loago'n ki khidmat karo, ham apne mafad ki khidmat par lagte hain.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Mar 2010 10:25 #
  33. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Why do you people stop at the first hint of criticism ?

    Why don't you continue with the good work ?

    My criticism is constructive criticism. I have no interest in criticizing for the sake of criticizing. That gives us/Muslims/Pakistanis' nothing!

    I don't aspire to ego satisfaction.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Mar 2010 8:43 #

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