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Pakistan heading for big mess...?

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  1. expakistani
    Member

    Abhi Geo Tv per arha hey Hameed Mir show... Hameed is traveling in kimari/karachi flood relief camp, Look like Most of the people from Jacobabad dont wanna go back to those their area and even Zulfiqar Mirza promised them for plot in karachi....

    look like fishy plot to me, with such planning with IDPs Pakistan ka ka hi Plot na chala jaey

    Posted 1 year ago on 02 Sep 2010 20:38 #
  2. Chalo Qabza tu waisay bhi Karna hi hai PPP nay ANP nakaam hu rahi hai tu ab Flood Victims ki AARh mai kar lay magar yeh sab karnay say pehlay yeh bhi Sochna parega Zulfiqar Mirza ko k Karachi mai un logoon ka MOO kon band karega jo inko Haqeeqat Bataingay PPP ki k kis tarhan unhoonay apnay Ghar bachanay k liye Band torhay aur in k Shahar/Goth Silaab mai Duba diyay...Yeh sab sunay k baad agar koi Sailaab Zadgaaan mai say PPP ko thookta bhi hai tu agay phir khud samajh jao k inhain apni mati say kitna piyar hai....

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 3:31 #
  3. Today neither any institution nor any political party can alone address the national, regional and international issues. Since 60 Years Pakistan is witnessing the leadership based in Divide and Rule principal of British Colonial system and now it warrants the leadership Unite and Serve. At the outset of 21st Century, The world at large is confronting with disintegration of nations, cultures and civilizations. Our response to the world is defensive which has invited unseen and perpetual interferences. All this is because of our differences within the politicians, Leaders, Sects, Cultures and Groups. Since the creation of Pakistan we have neither formulated any Social Contract nor could agree upon one Constitution. Every government introduced partial reforms and amendments, but the next Govt. receded the whole process. Because our constitution is not compatible to the current world Democratic system. The necessity of time demands a National Government to achieve national goals like social contract and constitution for distribution of resources and provision of opportunities.

    The 1973 constitution’s Sovereign Code conflicts with the judiciary, Mulla and Army Codes. The author of the constitution was completely alien to the principals of Sovereign Code. Thus he failed to synchronize the ideology and cultural code and could not design metonym common codes for the nation’s identity. The sovereign code of the constitution is copy of British sovereign code colored with French Sovereign Code without addressing antonym code of the two systems. Therefore it was not possible to synchronize its codes with our culture and ideology. The Constitution reflects the ignorance of the author toward the Metonym code, ideology code and the cultural code of democracy. This was the time when the nation had still not recovered from the shock of the disgraceful handover of one wing to the enemy. The disintegrated and frustrated nation was not in proper mind frame to adopt any new constitution.

    The Constitution basically defines the manners in which sovereign Power is distributed, it is on the contrary and gives absolute powers to the Prime Minister or President to appoint. COAS, CJ, Secretary, Ambassador and Ministers Etc, including transfer Posting of Key Jobs. As a result it produces civilian dictators instead of Leaders which is very attractive situation for a military coup. Constitutional amendment can not defend military coup until and unless we readdress our sovereign code. How long can we circumvent the constitution and end up with amendments and failure?

    Leader must have the knowledge of DECODING OF CIVILIZATIONS for formulation of new codes. Any leader without this knowledge will be disastrous for the nation. Democracy is not constitution. It is a SOCIAL CONTRACT which demands new coding of corporate culture in our British Colonial System, in consonance with the ideology, religion, resources, opportunities and the manners in which sovereign power is distributed. I realize the full import of the new world which is being shaped by nature. The ground of history is being prepared for a new world of Information Technology. Leaders provide a beacon for the right path to the nation and rulers keep the nation aligned toward the Path provided by the leader. Leader never Rules and Ruler can not lead the nation. Only a DICTATOR is self proclaimed leader and ruler. I feel disturbed to see my country in total disorder.

    Advancement of information Technology has caused Truth to manifest itself against all odds. The credentials of truth are known by the test of time, Good, right and truth are final, these do not merely come and go but create a new situation to restore the true balance disturbed by evil, wrong and falsehood. The time theme and its mystery with relation to human history demands to get our vision adjusted to the logic of events as they have unfolded themselves in the very beginning of 21st century.

    Therefore, I Propose that a National Council comprising of five members be formed. First member should be elected one out them by all chief Justices and Presidents of Bar Councils as a Judiciary member of National Council. 2nd member should be elected one out of them by all vice chancellors of universities as an Education member of National council and third member should be elected one out of them by all Presidents of chambers, 4th member should be elected one out of them by all chiefs and I.Gs. All these four members should select President as head of the council and state. President House should be renamed as IDEA CENTRE. This should be office of NATIONAL COUNCIL to run national government. IDEA stands for INTER department edict authority.

    Prime Minister House should be renamed as VISION CENTRE. Vision stands for = Volunteers institute of society’s Inter office necessities. First member should be elected one out of them by all groups of Muslim Leagues. Second member should be elected one out of them by all groups of PPP. Third member should be combined representative of all religious parties. Fourth member should be a combined representative of all nationalist and linguistic parties. Fifth member should be a combined representative of all other parties. All five members will elect one out of them as a Prime minister every year turn by turn.

    I have observed, analyzed and decoded the western and eastern civilizations and their economic reforms for nineteen years. And I have crystal clear vision for centuries ahead and expertise to develop and give practical shape to this broad outline of suggestion, if the nation agrees for National government. Then we need to set new public popular codes of society for NAME, FLAG, ECONOMY, SOVEREIGNTY and UNITY for the pragmatic and peaceful state. The idea is compatible to the current democratic system of the world. It will have an inbuilt mechanism of EVOLUTION of New social welfare state. Evolution is in accordance with design and order of the universe, where as REVOLUTION is an evil act. The Evolution of new codes will bring in practice an unwritten constitution of six words for a social welfare state. Year 2012 will see a civilized nation on Globe. I am available for any query or feedback for any national cause.

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    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 5:17 #
  4. IDPs and political vote bank issue .
    this is gonna be the biggest issue in the coming days .
    MQM has decided to go against Govt , after this happening .

    according to MQM ,its vote bank has been threatened by Interior Sindh based IDPs , will reside in the territory of Karachi ...

    and MQM is afraid of the situation .
    as it has only one thing in its favor , the vote bank of two major cities of Pakistan .

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 5:27 #
  5. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Zulfiqar Mirza and Agha Siraj Durrani are infamous people in the general opinion of their own party workers. They are not popular leaders of even their own political party.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 8:23 #
  6. in my opinion , every party has its bad people .
    and PPP has taken out all the villains of their party at the fore front , to counter every thing they are facing .

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 8:29 #
  7. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Beenai

    Do you mean 'loha lohay koo kat ta hai'? LOL

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 8:37 #
  8. @Hussain Farooqui ,
    yes , thats what i actually meant ...
    we can see every party has put its good or comparatively sensible people on the back seat .
    and has put all the villains on the front .
    whether its PPP ,PMLN or MQM .. you can see yourself .

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 8:40 #
  9. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Beenai

    That means our politics has no longer room for any ladies and gentlemen. Very interesting remarks from your side reflecting the realities of our politics.

    Zulfiaqar Mirza has openly declared himself a goonda in a relief camp of Hyderabad, so there is no doubt left in considering him as a real goonda. Others however deny the facts about them.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 8:46 #
  10. While on the subject of villains, here is the latest villainy by villain-in-chief Zardari:

    M Javed said:
    It is an added tragedy to the flood affectees that a currupt government is in place.

    President Zardari opened National Flood Affectees Fund Account in the names of his son: Bilawal and his daughter: Bakhtawer Zardari.

    It is immoral and highly criminal act on the part of Mr. Zurdariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

    (Blogger on dunya Today, 3.9.10)

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 8:48 #
  11. i just came to know from a reliable resource that imported olive oil bottles and first class quality dates has been offered for purchase on a cheaper price to the whole sale market vendors of Judia Bazaar Karachi from a PPP linked member .
    when the traders get them purchased , they saw a label on all the bottles and dates packs .

    'a Gift from Saudi Arabia for the flood Victims of Pakistan'.

    thats the result ,we can get when we have Villains on the driving seat .

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 8:58 #
  12. This is one of the dirtiest manifestations of greed in the book, beenai: depriving flood victims of very necessary food. Friends, how not to say it: down with Zardari and his bunch of thieves! We urgently need a change in government.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 10:44 #
  13. "imported olive oil bottles and first class quality dates has been offered for purchase on a cheaper price to the whole sale market vendors of Judia Bazaar Karachi from a PPP linked member ."

    Is this a surprise? I wrote somewhere here -- when the floods started -- the word I got from Multan was that the Gilani folk were "literally salivating" at the prospect of the monies they will be making. Someone also told be of a govt worker "jo phoola nahi sama raha tha" on the news of the floods. When asked why he was so happy, he said can you imagine the money to be made (he explained: you just tell the higher-ups you put down 2000 sacks of dirt to strengthen the embankment here and 3000 there but it washed away. Of course you never do that but how are they gonna check? You just get paid for the 'work')

    Also, this is nothing new. It ALWAYS happens this way. My earliest memory of this is 40+ years old seeing a green can of ghee with similar marking "Gift of .." (sorry I forget the country and the disaster - probably floods - it was for). Since the earthquake, if you traveled north past Rawalpindi, after every few kilometers you see big displays of relief goods, including "imported" tents, blankets, clothing, etc. being sold openly.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 11:22 #
  14. wantinsaf
    Member

    As many people expected that Altaf Hussain's invitation for martial law had something to do with Karachi politics.
    Shame on parties like PPP,MQM and ANP who are doing politics on lives of poor people who are their voters just because of ethnic affiliations.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 12:44 #
  15. twin_cities
    Member

    @ nota

    In 2006 I myself saw goods meant for earthquake victims being sold openly in Raja Bazar, Rawalpindi. When I inquired about it, shopkeepers were hesitant to divulge details but few of them told that they bought it from Abbotabad and Karachi. By digging more it transpired that a prominent politician of Rawalpindi was behind this supply line, the nazim of city. And guess who was he? The very nephew of Sheikh Rasheed, Farzande-Rawalpindi.

    I am sure same will be the case this time because now another crook, the biggest in our history Asif Ali Zardari is sitting on top. If even 50% of the Aid coming from abroad, specially Saudi Arabia, other middle eastern countries, Europe and USA is delivered to the affectees then it will be enough for them. But that is not the case, watching videos of these areas present a bleak situation which is horrible.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 14:51 #
  16. yes , unfortunately , we are heading towards the mess .
    when our so called leaders start behaving like vultures .
    by selling out the goods meant for flood victims .
    by eating out aid money meant for flood victims .
    they are eating the flesh of dead bodies .

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 15:19 #
  17. shimatoree
    Member

    Beenai-

    If they were eating the FLESH of DEAD bodies it would be OK. They are dead anyway- BUT

    They are eating the FLESH of the living and that is despicable indeed.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 15:46 #
  18. The mess that could be Created with those Flood Victims of Sindh would be on the heads of PPP only cause I dont think that any place in Four of Karachi's defunct Districts has left for them to settle cause they are getting OVER POPULATED themselves and it all ends up in one District which is call Malir and Malir is already part of PPP vote bank so I dont think any Problems would be created and another thing about Malir District is that Steel Mill is very near to that district so they can also find some Jobs their...Other then that When Liyari Expressway was Building a large number of illegal population was Moved to Hawksbay where all Utilities were available as well and now their is a whole Society of those people there so another place left for those Flood Victims who dont want to return is Hawks Bay Near those population who were displaced by Liyari Express way but the biggest problem would be Jobs as closest area near that is SITE industrial area where they can get jobs but the Problem is its already Filled with so many Labours and large Number of Unemployed people as well so last they would end up in Manora Keemarhi beach where they can start their new life with Catching Fishes or another location is Gadani where Ship breaking Industry is located but its part of Baluchistan I guess...

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 15:51 #
  19. asif86
    Member

    beenai
    "according to MQM ,its vote bank has been threatened by Interior Sindh based IDPs , will reside in the territory of Karachi ..."

    No more than 50,000 IDPs are currently living in camps in karachi.
    Thats no big vote since 50,000 doesnt even make an single PA seat.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 17:32 #
  20. That is right Asig86. It is called chor ki darhi main tinka. MQM is afraid of this temporary migration of people because of their own deeds in the past. How they got false claims and how they got control of business in Sindh.

    These innocent villagers who have come as IDPs do not know such tricks, and I am sure most of them will go back soon. All the fears of MQM are false and un-realistic because as I said Chor ki Darhi main Tinka.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 19:53 #
  21. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    haan aajao, poora Pakistan aajao Karachi main aur yahaan pe apna ghar banaalo. Karachi main boht jagaa hai, boht saari resources bhi hain.

    jo Karachi main already rehte hain, woh Arabian Sea main kood jaayein jaake loool.... unko job miley ya naaa miley, kisey fikar!!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 21:32 #
  22. @pakistani47

    If you have any IDEA regarding RELIEF work and where to Settle them in Karachi then you wont be arguing that....Their are already so many NO GO AREAS in Karachi which you people might not aware of and their are so much problems of Law and Order already in Karachi(Recently Firing at Shia Jaloos in Impress Market) so now when you got So many things to worry about on the shoulders of INCOMPETENT people then you cant imagine how much STRESS could increase....Even if those Flood Victims are settled in Karachi then MQM's CONFIRMED constituencies are already over Populated so they cant be DUMPED their and what is left is Malir, HawksBay and gadap area so even dumping them there also require some planning cause they wont be our Guest for to long when they resettle they had to earn their living by themselves so who would give them Jobs???Does anyone Fire their already working labors to give them a job???Do Govt. jobs would be enough to them???Their are Challenges and for a brain of Non karachiite its like nothing but Politics but for karachiite its the Matter of huge concern cause if Jobs are not given then they would end up being Criminals which are already Abundant in Karachi from All parts of Pakistan....

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 2:36 #
  23. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    The availability of gifted items for sale in Judia Bazar reflect the corruption of govt. . Definitely, fine quality items are being stolen from the foreign aid to be sold in bazars.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 2:52 #
  24. expakistani
    Member

    I dont think IDPs are moving just 4 vote bank.... my 2 cent conspiracy theory ....

    - Land mafia is looking to gain more plots around Malir cantt,super highway and hksbay area.
    if you guys know DHA already have a colony around Malir cantt and New DHA is on map around hksbay and near supper highway.... if you get plot there cheap then in next 5-10 yrs you would be bale to make double of ur money.

    This is all about money guys... no one give a damm about IDPs ...so sad.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 2:54 #
  25. @expakistani

    Malir Cantt area is very HOT SPOT between Land Mafias as JS land Mafia from Sachal and Safora and also some from Gadap Town trying to takeover and another ANP Land Mafia from Sohrab Goth are also trying as well and since a road that Joins Malir Cantt to Super Highway constructed by CDGK this has became a biggest place of interest between both Land mafias cause having influence their....Talking about Hawks Bay then that area was first Developed for resettlement of those people who were effected by Liyari Express way and one thing about that area was that it had already got Water, Electricity and other Utilities available so this could be another HOT SPOT of these people....

    Another Project I heard of was Zulfiqarabad anyone have any statistics about that???

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 3:05 #
  26. expakistani
    Member

    @gazi23 .... Thanks Gazi bhai
    how about land mafia by Baber ghori and Army? where they are doing their business?

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 3:43 #
  27. @expakistani

    These days Baber Ghouri busy in taking back KPT lands that were Illegally Grabbed by Influential people and Army has their own areas already there you know DHA army ka hi tu hai pora kafi jagahain hain un k pass....

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 3:48 #
  28. asif86
    Member

    http://www.pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=50619
    Flood affectees to get rid of waderas

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 14:19 #
  29. @Gazi...
    If urdu speakers can migrate from india, Pashtuns, Punjabis, Baluch can migrate from east/north/west of Pakistan to Southern pakistan (mainly Karachi) then why do you have problem if Sindhis from interior sindh migrate to Karachi? LOL
    All you can think is of Muhajir Vote bank? Yaar, tumhay ALLAH ko jawab daina hay ya wahan bhee Peer sahib kay ghunday aap ko bacchaney ayain gay? I find it very frustrating when ppl here (so called educated) become so bias that they cross that thin line of intellect into racisit bias. Choroo yaar... Mood kharab kur deeya

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 15:25 #
  30. @Gazi...
    how about land mafia by Baber ghori and Army?

    There are 2 parts to this question. Try Again and Try hard this time. lol

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 15:26 #
  31. expakistani
    Member

    @KHAN_Sahib
    App ko MQM ke khusbo/badbo pkpolitics per her bar le ati....but my question is not about MQM

    my post is not about Sindhies or Pashottons.... i am worry, all of them are coming with false hope that they will get roti kapra and makan in karachi...

    where is planning? is karachi creating more jobs for them?

    I have feeling that land maifa bringing those people in karachi, 2-4 sal ke baad en ko jhonprion se nekal ke land per qabaza ho jaey ga... pher aap kia karo gey?

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 18:02 #
  32. expakistani...
    Tum tou yaar MQM kay payyar may jalla watan hoe gaye hoe issee leeye MQM aur tumhara payaar waisa ka waisaa hee hay. MQM say mayree bayzaree koye dhakee chupee baat nahee hay lakin ussee tarha kee bazaree mujay ANP,PPP,PML A to Zee, JI, JUP, or jitnee bhee A to J partiyaan hain... inn sub say hay.... Buss aap ko hum uss waqat hee nazar attay hain jub hum aap kay beloved MQM jee dum may koyee pathakha choar daitain hain... Arram say baitain aur dossrahat say hamree baat sunain..... Babar Ghouri na sirf aik kameena admee hay balkey MQM kee land mafia, aur land corruption ka bay taj badshah hay.... Yeah tou waqat hee bataye ga kay inn mosouf nay kittna khayya hay aur kitnna khilayya hay.. Hum buss unn kay Party kay leeye shaheed honay ka intezaar kur rahain hain...

    Now coming back to this topic..... Yes, According to my sources (Very valid and informative one) that these IDP'd from sindh have been given, govt and privately owned (please check your plots/properties specially if they were already built and locked for future renting on Super / national high way area) flats, houses, farm houses and land to these IDP's. They have already refused to go back and the PPP govt have promised them local ID cards, house, jobs in a hope that they will vote for the up coming local council elections followed by any future elections.... Here MQM is now biting her claws cuz they recently opposed the IDP's from Khyber Pukhtoonkhwa and become an instant villain in regional-ethnic politics. If they would have welcomed the IDP's from Punjab and Khyber Pukhtoonkhwa, they could have then opposed the IDP's on a stand of creating a PPP bank now (Obviously those from Punjab and Khyber Pukhtoonkhwa would never vote dominantly for PPP)

    to MQM: aAb udaas kayoun phirtay hoe tum Garmeoun (summer time sadly) kee shamoun may.....
    Iss tarha tou hota hay iss tarha kay kamoun may....

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Sep 2010 0:45 #
  33. @KHAN_Sahib

    When did I ever had any problem with people from Interior Sindh on the first place???No offense but that famous stereotype about Pashtuns but that fits on you very well...Agar har kaam Niswar laga k ho raha hota tu Kashmir kab ka Azad hu chuka hota....Their is something called resettlement PROCESS and whats funny is that this PROCESS is the most dangerous word when we have something called PPP in Sindh Govt. and that is the biggest problem as what and how they would gonna resettle/Dump(most likely chances) those Flood Victims in a city like Karachi which cant able to hold the Burden of already Millions migrated to Karachi within the country...So PLANNING and MANAGEMENT is a big issue and I hope you would have much better idea about these two words then me...

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Sep 2010 1:05 #
  34. gazi sahib....
    Relax... chill.... Tabeeyat kharab hay ya roza lug raha hay aap ko abhee say hee??? App ka hee bayyan hay kay ANP land grabbing may nakaam hoe rahee hay tou aab PPP flood victims ko iss maqsad kay leeye use kur rahee hay... Bhai sahib... Pehlay waley IDP's tou wapis chaley gayee kayoun kay aap kay Maharaj Altaf kay hukum say MQM nay JA sindh kee himayat kee against then IDP's from Khyber-Pukhtoonkhwa ...

    Baqi rahee baat management kee tou bhai jub Muhajir 1947 may karachi, hyderabad aye thay tou yahan koan say "Resources' thay? Dil barra karo tou jagga bohoat hay... Dil chotta hoe tou phir tou aap apnay bhai ko bhee apnay ghar may bardasht nahee karo gay kayoun kay uss kay aik, doe bacchay zayada paida hoe gayee.. lol

    Waisa, Naswar ka istemaal aap nay bara khoob keeya hay.. May aap kay walidayn koo daad daita houn... Mujay nahee patta thaa kay aap loag naswar ko lagatey hain? tut tut tut.... I wonder, why people stoop down so quickly to these levels.... aab may utaoun ya khood hee uthooe gay? LOL

    Wasey jung Bandooq say laree jatee hay aur golee, bandook pay nahee, chalaney waley pay depend kartee hay.... kay nishaney pay lagay gee kay nahee..... Nahee samjay.... Try some search about these key words, FATA-1948-kashmir front-Qabaylee lashkar-Delhi-UNO
    Na roktay aap kay 1948 kay "rehnouma" tou kashmir tou 1948 may hee aap kay Qabayal (FATA) nay lay leeya thaa india say!!! Kaya samjay???

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Sep 2010 1:17 #
  35. @KHAN_Sahib

    Bhai abhi Sehri ka time Khatam huwa hai Karachi mai aur Bilkul abhi abhi tu roza shuroo huwa hai meri post karnay k 5 min. k baad tu roza kaisay lagna shuroo ho gaya mujhay???ANP apni Land grabbing kar rahi hai apni jagah magar ab unkay baap a rahay hain Sailaab mai beh kar jee han Sailaab Zadgaan jo Karachi mai Kahan rehnay k Khuhishmand hain....Zara Sochoo app k yahan ki Factories mai sab say Ziada Pashtun kaam kartay hain aur un ki Unions mai bhi sab say ziada ANP k members hain ab jab Sailaab zadgaan yahan pay akay Kaam mangaingay tu Factories mai kis ki jagah inko kaam milay ga???waisay hi ab Karachi k jo main areas hain pehlay hi Over populated hu chukay hain ab ANP ki nazar Highway ki zameenon pay hai jahan pay kahin kahin Goth Abad hain aur PPP ka paka VoteBank hai ab Sailaab zadgaan aingay aur un k naam pay land grabbing hogi tu ANP ki jin ilaqoon pay nazar hai woh ilaqay tu SAB say pehlay jaingay phir kahan hugi ANP ki land Grabbing???aur pechlay saal Sindhi Jamatoon nay akay Pathanoon ki entry k khilaf jo awaaz Uthai thi IDPs ki halat mai tu ab agar yehi loog barhi Tadad mai Karachi mai rahengay tu MQM ko tu aur faida hai kam az kam yeh loog nazar tu rakhaingay k Karachi mai kon a raha hai aur kon ja raha hai....Agar land Grabbing hi honi hai tu Karachi k already sttled areas mai tu hu nahi sakti cause saray ilaqay already full hu chukay hain ab hogi tu Highways aur Gadap town ya phir Hawksbay aur Malir k kuch areas mai hugi aur wahan MQM ka na tu Pehlay kabhi Vote Bank tha aur na hi ab hai wahan tu PPP ka Vote Bank hai ANP agar wahan karti hai tu PPP waloon ka Headache hoga wohi aik dosray say deal karaingay....Is liye App befikar hujao aur Karachi k Bajai KPK ki taraf dekho cause KPK Sab say ziada mutasir huwa hai Sailaab mai aur waisay bhi Sindhi jo aain hain unki PPP aur apnay Waderoon say tu pehlay hi hati huwi hai aur agar MQM nay apnay Jageerdaar Waderoon k card ka istamal kia aur woh bhi Karachi mai jo k MQM ka maidaan hai tub tu PPP ki sari chalain Ulkti hu jaingi....Bhai mera ab yeh app ko sochna chahiye ka in k anay ka sab say Ziada Nuqsaan hi ANP ko hai cause ANP ka Barha Vote Bank jo Mehnat Mazdoori Kar raha hai Beroozgar hu jaiga aur jo Mulazmat kar rahay hain Farigh kar diyay jaingay inko Mulazmat dainay k liye...Aur waisay bhi Sailaab mai Beh ker anay walay konsay Doctor, Engineer ya Parhay Likhay loog hain saray hi becharay Gothoon k rehnay walay Mehnat Kash loog hain bilkul ANP k Karachi mai supporters ki tarhan...

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Sep 2010 1:48 #
  36. Ghazi bhai.. Aap tou bohoat hoshyaar hain jannab... Pehaly kahan thay aap? LOL
    ANP kay supporter agar bey rozgaar hoe jayain gay tou aap ko tou khush honna chayeah bhai..... (Regardless of the fact that I don't support ANP) Pakhtoonou ko tou bhai charey kee addat hay bhai sahib... 80's may afghan Refugees ko kiss nay pannah dee thee? Yaad karo... Sohrab goth may tou Afghan bohoat baad may aye thay aur woh bhee chand hazar... 90% afghan tou Khyber Pukhtoonkwa may thay aur 40 to 50 % tou aab wahan kay citizrns he gayen hain...

    Now coming back to your comments... Pehlay Naswaar... aur aab.. gothon kay log jo sailab may behtay hoyee aye?? Kaya hoe gaya hay aap kee zabaan ko? Ramadan? Muslim brother hood? Would you like it if anyone use the same language about Muhajirs in 1947? tut tut tut ..... Sindhi hamrey bhai hain... Karachi pay unn ka bhee itnna hee haq hay jitnna doosroun ka... Aik rotee hoe gee tou adee uss ko khilayain gay.... Inshallah

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Sep 2010 2:04 #
  37. @KHAN_Sahib

    Bhai ANP bhi Karachi mai mujood hai tu yaar aik Karaciwala kisi Karachi walay k sath Ziadti hotay kaisay dekh sakta hai???App khud batao yeh baat???Agar ANP ki hi parwah hoti tu kia Baat thi magar yahan tu Karachi aur yahan k logoon ki parwah hai mujhay aur app samajh rahay hu k mai ANP aur pashtonoon ka Ghum mai parha hun...Is waqt jab app ko KPK k sailaab ki parwah karni Chahiye thi app Karachi k gham mai doobay huway hu balkay MQM k gham mai Dobay huway hu....Aur waisay bhi ANP nay abtak aik Camp lagaya hu aur Aik Relief ka samaan jo Bhijwaya hu Karachi say Despite najanay kitnay Truck ko hire kar k Bhijwa saktay hain....Ab aisay halaat mai tu banda RAHAM hi kha sakta hai Pashtonoon aur unki halat-e-Zaar pay k apnay logoon ki fikar nahi sirf Chand Gaz Zameenon k liye Maut ajai parwah nahi...Aisay halaat mai mai ANP pay aur In k Voters pay Taras k ilawa aur kia kha sakta hun????Waisay ab tu Inko KPK mai hi Zameenon ka JACKPOT lag giya hai....Abhi kuch din Pehlay Geo News ki Slides mai parha tha k Sailaab k sath KPK Hukomat ka Zameenon ka RECORD bhi Bhai gaya hai aur ab jab wahan loog apnay Gaon jaingay tu Govt. ko itna bhgi Pata nahi hoga k konsi Zameen kis ki hai yani ab tu ANP k pass Zameen hi Zameen hai Qabza karnay k liye KPK mai magar Becharay Sailaab Zadgaan jo barhi Mushkil say Guzara Kar rahay hain unka kia hoga yeh pata nahi...

    Aur jahan tak Sailaab mai Beh k anay aur Niswar ki baat hai tu abhi mera mood kafi tafree hai is liye is tarhan ki baatain kar raha hun agar app ko Buri lagain ya kisi aur ko buri lagain tu SORRY....Ab shayad app ko kuch clear hu jai aur waisay jahan tak baat hai Muhajiroon ki tu ANP Sindh k sadar Shahi Syed ki zubaan tu apnay Suni hogi???

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Sep 2010 2:24 #
  38. Ghazi Sahib...

    Aap Pukhtoono kee fikar na karain.. Last 30 saal say jo Wahan hoe raha hay, jub uss waqat kisee nay unn ke khabar nahee lee tou aab tou bilkul zaroorat nahee,,, Aap kay apnay doast (MQM lovers) have been supporting Drone attacks and target killing of Pushtuns ( i am not even mentioning the attempted ethnic cleansing by MQM in 80's and 90's) and MQM was also against IDP's from Khyber Pukhtoonkhwa so why are u so concern about Pukhtoon areas. Let them suffer if you think that they will suffer from the arrival of Sindhis....

    And your statement about lands in Khyber pukhtoonkhwa is very limited. There is Patwaree system and their offices are in main cities and towns, Also every one have (almost) legal documents and remember that no one can not take over land from a Pakhtoon land owner if its legally his... it comes in their Genes and I am sure ANP have to live among Khyber people and wont run away to London... lol.. Waisey stop ANP bashing over flood victims... Whom do u think is carrying out flood relief work??? PPP??? MQM??? lol

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Sep 2010 2:43 #
  39. @KHAN_Sahib

    Subah ka Bhoola Sham ko ghar ajai tu usay Bhoola nahi kehtay aur ab agar koi kisi ki fikar kar raha hai aur woh bhi Ramazan jaisay Barkat walay maheenay mai tu is ka kia matlab hu sakta hai????Bhai mera mai aik aam sa Karachiite hun MQM ko support karna bhi mainay MK ki performance say inspire ho k shuroo kia hai asal mai mai Karachi ko MQM say kai Gunah ziada Pasand karta hun...Jab Larhai aur Jhagrhay hotay hain tu logoon k zehan mai aik yeh baat bhi ati hai k inko khatam karnay say kia faida hoga???Pashtunoon ko khatam karnay say Karachi mai jo sab say barha Nuqsaan hai woh yeh hai k yahan Hard working Labors ki kami hu jaigi aur kisi Shahar ko chalany k liye Doctor, Engineer aur dosri White collar work force k sath sath Hard working labors bhi hona zaroori hai aur Karachi ka yehi Competitive Advantage hai k yahan Educated aur most highly experienced White Collar Workforce k sath sath Hard working aur most effective Labor force bhi mujood hai tu agar ANP ko Karachi say Minus kardain tu yeh kaisay Keh saktay hu k Pashtun nahi reh Saktay Karachi mai???Akhir pechlay 30-40 saal say bhi tu reh rahay thay Pashtun ANP k baghair kaisay reh rahay thay???magar MQM jis nay Performance day k Prove kia hai agar minus kardain tu Nuqsaan hai Shahar ka aur waisay bhi Pashtunoon ka tu Faida hi hai MQM say cause MQM jo Roads aur Bridges banai gi usay kitnay hi Pashtunoon ko Jobs milaingi app bhi jantay hu...

    Aur jahan tak sawal hai 1980-90s k daur ka tu bhai PPI(Punjabi Pakhtun Ittehad) jaisi Jamatain bhi tu banai gain thin Karachi mai aisay hi kaamoon k liye jo ajj ANP kar rahi hai aur yeh sari Jamatain kis nay banwain thin Pora Karachi janta hai aur Bushra Zaidi, Qasba aur Aligarh pay jo kuch huwa tha woh tu MQM say bhi pehlay ka time hai aur yeh bhi sab jantay hain k MQM ko support hi in Incidents ki wajah say mili hai...Agar Aik taraf say Kuch huwa tu us ki Retaliation bhi huwi lakin yeh mantaq k Retaliation ghalat thi meri samajh say bahar hai....PPI jo apnay criminals ki Dead Bodies lay ja ker apnay ilaqoon mai Magarmach k ansoo bahaya karti thi k Muhajiroon nay inko mar diya(MQM was Muhajir Party) Lashoon pay Siasat kia karti thi woh sab Jaiz tha app k liye???kon hoga jo deny karega k kuch groups Pashtunoon k naam pay bhi aisi Harkatain kartay thay jis pay dosray Ishtial mai ajain theek usi tarhan jis tarhan app MQM k baray mai Muhajir ka naam lay ker yeh saab mashoor huwa....Bhai sab kuch MQM k uper dal dena itni khobsoorti say k baqi sab Farishtay thay aur MQM hi sab kuch thi say baat nahi banay gi agar MQM nay Ghalat kaam kiay hain tu dosroon nay bhi Ghalat kaam kiay hain aur agar Muhajiroon nay Pashtunoon k sath kuch ghalat kia tu Pashtunoon nay bhi Muhajiroon k sath ghalat kia agay sirf App ki soch reh jaati hai k app kia accept kartay hu aur kia reject....

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Sep 2010 3:15 #
  40. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    We all are brethren-in-Islam. We are obliged to help each other at the times of difficulty. In Karachi, the free food centers of Selani and Edhi feed free food to about 100,000 people daily. Most of the beneficiaries are our brethren from outside Karachi. It is their right to enjoy the hospitality for their brethren belonging to Karachi.

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Sep 2010 3:42 #
  41. Pakistani dictatorship is an evil Democracy
    and
    Pakistani democracy is an evil Dictatorship

    Main problem is 1973 constitution because
    1) it is not workable document. We need amendment on every step to move forward.
    2)IT CAN NOT DIFFERENTIATE good and evil.
    if a member votes according to his conscious against the will of party. He can be blamed for floor crossing
    if a member sells his loyalty. He will claim that he has voted according to his conscious.
    * OUR POLITICAL PARTIES ARE PROPRIETARY.
    * NONE IS DEMOCRATIC
    * BOTH PARTIES RUN THEIR SHOW THROUGH BUREAUCRATS
    NOT POLITICIANS

    punishing the criminal big or small, is only possible
    when The state will play a supervisory role, regulating and promoting every aspect of life through public institutions.
    All discretionary authorities will be seized
    and the spontaneity of individuals will, through planning, foresight and co-operation, be combined with similar institution. Public institutions will be run with citizen input provided at all levels

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Sep 2010 6:38 #
  42. Syed Ammar Bukhari
    You are pasting the same content on two different threads.
    First you posted at:
    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/israel-strike-on-iran#post-174731

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Sep 2010 6:40 #

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