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RajputPuttar
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Here a couple of my esteemed colleauges are blind followers of MMA and its victory in 2002 general elections. For their speical consideration and general knwolege of others i am submitting few facts.

a) MMA , got around 1.3 million votes from NWFP for NA.
b) MMA , got around 0.8 million votes for NWFP assembly.

Important point here is that voting held on the same day and one voter who went to booth , casted 2 votes , one for national other for provnicial.

There was an unprecedented shift of aroud 40%.

c) MMA won both seats from Nowshera district for NA but out of 5 provincial , it could manage only one . Be reminded Nowshera is home district to Qazi Hussain Ahmad (who himself won for NA) and as well Moulna Sami ul Haq(Madam Tahira fame) his son hamid ul haq haqqani won the other NA seat.

d) MMA won boht NA seats for DI KHan cum tank (Moulana Diesel won both seats) and out of 6 provnical seats , it couldn't manage it even a single . Amazing.

I m posting the link to official link to ECP site.

http://www.ecp.gov.pk/docs/2002/national.pdf

http://www.ecp.gov.pk/docs/2002/NWFP.pdf

Its just an analysis of facts which i did way back in 2002 but some of my colleuges have pushed me to re-publish it here.

NA Votes =1305366
PA votes =793970

Ratio= 0.608235545

Note : As i first wrote out of my sheer memory , the totals were a bit wrong and i have done it again as there is no mal intention Thx.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 10:27 #
LalBichoo
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RP Sb,

Excellent research work indeed !
Let's see what supporters of JI and MMA say on these figures !
The question is why there's a difference of 511,396 votes between NA and PA ?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 10:37 #
Justapakistani
Member

Bravo Rajput bhai......really undeniable facts.......waakai jadoo hai jadoo......now a typical jamaiti will come and say National kaay vote faristhoun naay dalay thaaay aur main provincial faristoun kaa mood nahi howaa, tu is waja saay difference howaa :):):)

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 10:39 #
LalBichoo
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****,

Bro, I think Farishtaas were hungry so they only caste one vote i.e. for NA :))

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 10:44 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I have yet to validate your analysis.

However, it does tell us one thing. We have too much work to do.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 10:50 #
Justapakistani
Member

@ LB :):):) ho saktaa hai kaay "MMA & Faristas kaa mohaidaa serif NA kaa ho :):)
BTW LB still visiting KU?whatz happening there? (Rajput bhai sorry for off topic line)

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 10:51 #
Faarigh Jazbati
member

Dear RP

A good and interesting effort by you.

But and this is big but that everyone knows MMA was brought into power not by the people but by the ISI. Qazi Hussain himself admitted in one of the interviews of his and other MMA leaders meeting in safe houses.
Musharraf needed the support of Mulla wing of the army/ISI and these Mullas wanted the power so badly hence the outcome which you mentioned above.

FJ

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 10:52 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Faarigh Jazbati: O, you mean those votes that MMA got, they were put up by ISI or Pak Army ?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 10:56 #
LalBichoo
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hariskhan,

"""I have yet to validate your analysis."""

>>>>

Wah kiya baat hay bhi'i :)))

Since when you have assumed charge of a validation authority ?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 10:56 #
Anti Pakistan
Member

Psycho's Qoute

"Enjoy victories till the death come and all u say that infact we are defeated"

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 10:58 #
barackosama
Member

@Faarigh Jazbati
So basically JI/MMA, MQM, PML-Q, PTI have all been used by Musharraf/Estt because in order to win support of army/ISI, he had to win loyalities of army men to their respective outfits.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:00 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Thx gentleman
as i said earlier, i did this research in nov 2002 but at that time no newspaper was ready to publish:)

i want to remind u guys a famous urdu novel series

"Dastan iiyman farooshon kie"

in fact it's dastan of "zameer" (gen ihtsham zameer ) of gen.mush and "bezameeri" of -------------): u all know.

Phley hi unka naam liney Kay baad brush kiya hai

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:01 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Faarigh Jazbati: I don't agree with the notion of Pak Army or ISI putting up votes in ballet boxes for MMA.

I believe, people of NWFP voted for MMA. Not Army, not ISI.

At that time, the sentiment against USA was high, owing to the start of 'war on terror'.

This voter turn out, even though it was small, showed confidence in MMA, for defense of the interests of the people of this nation, especially at the time of war.

Do you understand what this means ?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:05 #
Faarigh Jazbati
member

@ HarisKhan

Not all the votes but the necessary votes.

BOsama

Everyone knows how the 2002 election were engineered. You dont need the brain of the B Obama to figure that out :)

Even the 2008 elections were engineered, just wait the truth will come out soon.

FJ

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:06 #
Faarigh Jazbati
member

Haris Khan

I agree with you that people had lot of anti american emotions at that time and they wanted to show their disgust with the american policy plus the use of Election symbol of Book by MMA as a reference to Quran excited lot many people to vote for them but the fact remains that ISI engineered the election to their own agenda and they needed this only in NWFP as the establishment wanted MMA government in NWFP to control the Jihadi element who were not toeing the line.

This is a lengthy debate and we can not come to a conclusion/resolution just by discussing on the web.

FJ

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:13 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Lb

Chanda , haris ko tang na karoo. Let him validate , I might have committed some mistake ( if there is any ,that's unintentional

harris bahi ko bohut "shoonq" hai figures kaa. In ko deikh kar mujhey bhi kutch guzra zamNa yaad aa giya

Harris , aap validate kar loo then we can discuss the cause of this skewed pattern. Chill. Tension nAhi leenay kaa

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:15 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Faarigh Jazbati: I don't agree.

I do agree on not going an endless discussion. Why ? Because its useless to argue what really happened when there's no assurity of fair elections.

It is the duty of the people of this nation to do something about that. They need to make their vote count, rather than allow Pak Army or its agencies to continue to violate law of the land, just so their own interests win, over the interests of the people of this nation.

The important thing for us is to;

(1) continue our struggle
(2) improve ourselves, our services as we move along into the future
(3) be as transparent as we can in-front of the people of this nation

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:17 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Agar aap logon ko yeh episode pasand aayii hai tu meri zanbeel mein eik aur episode bi haai " Dastan aaiyman farooshon kii -part 2"

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:18 #
irfanali898
Member

GHQ saie farishtay nikltay hain aur MMA ko vote daal jatain hain.
MMa ko farishta voting
musharraf ko 17th amendment
You scartch my back I scratch your's.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:19 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@RajputPuttar: What's your point ?

We are a reality, no matter how much you deny it. You are welcome to keep denying our existence, our affect in this nation :-)

We are never! going to be discouraged by you or your words.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:20 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Harris

Validation ho gaii?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:20 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

If you people claim MMA ko GHQ wale vote dal jate hain, then I will also claim, GHQ se loag nikal kar har party ke loago'n ko vote dal jate hain.

So, what's new ?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:20 #
barackosama
Member

@Faarigh Jazbati

My stress was not on engineered thingy but whether you contend that the army would use any political party rather a political party.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:21 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Faarigh Jazbati: The interesting thing to note here, is that Army noted MMA as the people to communicate/deal with Mujahideen/Jihadis'/people of NWFP.

So, what does that make MMA ? Representatives of people of NWFP, Mujahideen ?

I love! that complement.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:22 #
LalBichoo
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hariskhan,

Thanks for conceding that it was infact Farishtass from GHQ who handed over victory in NWFP to MMA in 2002 elections :)))

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:23 #
Faarigh Jazbati
member

Dear RP

Aur kia a zanmbeel mein, Suspence is killing me MAN ! :)

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:23 #
toamin
member

These figures and observations are facts-

Also agree with FJ on "engineering" aspect-

They made shame deal on LFO/17th Amendment with a military dictator and i will never forget that deception by MMA to people of Pakistan-

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:23 #
LalBichoo
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hariskhan,

"""So, what does that make MMA ? Representatives of people of NWFP, Mujahideen ?"""

>>>>

Nop, HYPOCRITE !

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:24 #
irfanali898
Member

Zameer Sahib ka sukriya MMA ko election maie vote farishtoun saie dulwa diye

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:24 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@LalBichoo: When you say elections are not fair, what is left to concede ?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:24 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Chill out man. Validation kaa batoo? Complete howi yaa nahi? Then i will give u my oponion as well. Take it easy. Miami yeh karwa sach tu aap ko niglana parry gaaaa:)

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:24 #
Faarigh Jazbati
member

Haris Khan

Please read again

the establishment wanted MMA government in NWFP to control the Jihadi element who were "NOT" toeing the line.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:25 #
irfanali898
Member

Mufat ka halwa molvie kaie liye pass karna bohat mushkil haie.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:25 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Faarigh Jazbati: Who were not toe'ing what line ?

@irfanali898: Comments paas karna bhi bohat asan hai. Jab main tum se poochna shuru karoonga ke tum ne is qaum ki behtari ke liye kia kiya, tab asliyat baahar ae gi.

So, STFU, before I embarrass you in-front of everyone :-)

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:26 #
Justapakistani
Member

haris bhai kiya mansooraa mian validation hoo rahi hai yaa GHQ mian :):)

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:27 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Fj

Itni jazabatiat achi nahi hoti. Mujhay dinner par Janna haiii. This time I won't let people shift responsibility :)

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:28 #
LalBichoo
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"""haris bhai kiya mansooraa mian validation hoo rahi hai yaa GHQ mian :):) """

>>>

Jamatee in trouble, LOLzzzzz !

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:28 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Justapakistani: Can we please stick to reality, constructive talk ? Non-constructive talk won't help us in anyway what-so-ever.

I am not ready to believe, even for a second, Army/ISI put up votes for MMA in 2002 elections.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:29 #
irfanali898
Member

Jamat islami and MMa parties have been used since 1950 till 2002 by the GHQ. They are dependable coalition partners.
Kiya hukam haie meray AAKKA. Bottle wala jinn.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:29 #
LalBichoo
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hariskhan,

"""I am not ready to believe even for a second, Army/ISI put up votes for MMA in 2002 elections. """

>>>

That's not gonna change the reality, dude :)))

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:32 #
Faarigh Jazbati
member

Dear RP

Hamain Food for thought daiker Khud Dinner pe ?
Achi Baat nahin hai :(

Kahin Ch Shujaat ne dawat to nahin ki... OO Chuddo ji Miti paaoo tay rooti Khaaoo :)

FJ

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:32 #
Faarigh Jazbati
member

@ RP

" This time I won't let people shift responsibility :)"

Manane wale to kab ke maan chuke, na maannane wale kabhi bhi nahin mane ge. Manwa kar kia kar lein ge.

Baat to such hai magar baat hai ruswaai ki

Haris Bhai: Alsidqoo yunji walkizbu yuhlik. jo such hai woh such hai us ko deny karne ka koi faaida nahin hai.

FJ

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:37 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@irfanali898: You'r laughing on JI or MMA ? I could laugh on you.

Why ? Your vote carry's no worth, rather doesn't exist. Pak Army/ISI can manipulate your vote and there's nothing you can do about it.

Now, should I laugh on you ?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:50 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Faarigh Jazbati: If I accept your words, that means, you believe, Army violated/manipulated your vote. What are you doing about it ?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:52 #
irfanali898
Member

I am also laughing at the paltos of the army who wag their tail on GhQ commands. The citizens of Pakistan are doing their job. They vote and pay taxes. The paltos do their job by blocking the will of the people.
public sub jantie haie.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:52 #
LalBichoo
Blocked

hariskhan,

No actually we should condemn those hypocrite Moulvis who on the one hand preach honesty on the other hand seek help Farishtaas to either form alliances (IJI) or manipulate elections results !

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:53 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@irfanali898: O, you mean, your worth is nothing more than a tax paying robot ? There's nothing more pathetic than you.

This discussion is worthless. There's nothing to gain from it, accept one thing;

(1) Pak Army manipulates elections
(2) There's no need to take part in elections

I believe, we need to do something about this.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:56 #
LalBichoo
Blocked

hariskhan,

This thread is exposing real face of Jamaatees and other Mullahs of MMA !

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:56 #
Faarigh Jazbati
member

Dear HK

No One can manipulate my vote be it ISI or anyone else.

Well I dont live in PK and I never voted for anyone as no one in my own constituency is good enough to be my representative or I can delegate my trust and unfortunately that include JI candidates.

FJ

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:56 #
irfanali898
Member

There's no need to take part in elections
when people dont want to vote for you. Apnie zamanat kaie paisay zaiya karnay ka koie faida nahie aur free halwa kise aur bahanay saie khaiya jasakta haie. Bachoun kaie akeekaie attend karna is more practical.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Feb 2010 11:58 #