Every day we come to know about missing persons, who are allegdly in security services custody. There are more than 160 million people living in our homeland, how many of them are missing? I don't have exact figures but it can't be more than couple of hundreds. I personally know a guy who joined extremist group six years ago and never came back, you can say the same for activists of terrorists orgnizations who are captured, alomst none of them had any contact whatsoever with their families. I haven't heard a single case when these boys run away from their houses with terrorists orgnizations being reported as missing. All these supporters of missing persons either don't know the situation or have a soft corner for terrorists orgnizations.
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Potohari
BlockedPosted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 13:12 # -
what ever the situation is, the families never agree to ones extra curricular religious activism...every mother, father and wife is always wary of haramtoobi in the name of religion.
These idiots who get lured by wahabi Islam, their parents and spouses want the government to help them recover them and bring them to present from absent, even if they have to be locked up in a jail, at least they will be visible....
thats the point, and Allah na karay kisi ka bacha ya shohar ya bhai gum ho jaye or pata hi na chalay...family dies from inside....they become zinda laash!
I have seen this, one of cousins has vanished in broad day light and my aunt is almost dead but what can we do....
the funny part is that its a girl cousin, which complicates the situation as our society murmurs that, "bhag gayi ho gi"......I mean imagine the pain of parents who have to deal on two levels .......
so we should create an amnesty of some sorts for these self exiled jihads who have killed innocents and now fear their returns...the worse thing is that agencies are asked to look for them which scares them even more...and they keep running....
remember a tv show in the 75's "run joe run"...a German Shepard keeps running for loved ones on a misconception...
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 15:35 # -
Law should be followed in all cases. When we by-pass a law we think we are being smart and getting lots of benefits but all these so-called benefits are short term and create huge problems in long-term.
Also, by passing law show incompetency of the institutions involved.
If current law does not suite the situation then change it by following the due process. Pass legistlation in assembly. You have to be following the law otherwise it will cause a whole lot of problems.Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 15:58 # -
but the "law" should be "benefiting" otherwise it will be "bypassed"...
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 16:03 # -
Law is not based on benefiting or harming. Laws are based on what is considered right and wrong in the eyes of law-makers. In all cases laws should not be by-passed. If there is a need then laws should be changed by following due process.
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 16:06 # -
"eyes of the law-makers" ? that seems to be a "subjective" statement, for example, take the molvis..in their "eyes" everything is a kafir.....so what "they think" or "see" is now valid ?
this is the reason, "law" gives birth to "law-lessness"...cause the "eyes" are sujbective and not objective.....
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 16:09 # -
Yes, eyes of the law-makers and awam select law-makers so indirectly it is awam making the law for itself.
Is there any other option?? Even if it is based on quran, hadees or bible or whatever it will be a human interpretation. You can not find a complete comprehensive and detailed solution to all problems of the world in one book. Constitution is used a guideline and law-makers pass legistlations within the boundaries of the constitution.
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 16:34 # -
what if we select the wrong "law maker"..for example...everyone selected Yazeed, and everyone in europe selected the pope's who were the law maker ans would not allow galileo to use his doorbeen to see the planets and sun as stationary....
do you see my point...entire societies can be hijacked for thousands of years...thousands of years.....
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 16:40 # -
Ok, you tell me what is the other option? How can you guarantee an individual who is a super-man and find the best solution for every problem. Prophets can do that because they are guided by God who is the ultimate wisdom but unfortunately no more prophets anymore :(
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 16:43 # -
Even if you do select wrong law-maker you can select the right one later one. If a society keeps on selecting wrong people then this means society itself is totally hopeless and even if you do implement fair laws they will find ways to disrespect them. This is whole point of sending prophets and guidance from god.
Good thing with democracy is it gradually raises awareness and in this time and age there are always good people in socities who remind people abuot what is wrong and what is right. So gradually people will start making right choices and if they dont then only way is to raise public awareness. Ohter options are even worse.Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 16:46 # -
do not get frustrated my dear brother.....all I wanted was to show you that the "human influence" in all this law making which is doubtful...
there is a solution called "individualism"..
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 16:55 # -
A wrong selection of law makers may hold us back for extremely long periods. I am impressed. BTW what is this term'individualism'?
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 19:10 # -
"individualism"
is a term which tries to explain "self discipline"...for one self ....
for example, there is no need for "kingdom"....there is no need for kings or gods to tell us. Yes there is need for a GOD but no need for people who say they are working for the gods...
there is no need for the idea of "country"....let it be hills after hills and people living in between....there is no need to conquer or capture others.....and subject them to collective punishments and laws...most "laws" are for dispute settlements, eliminate collectivism which will take away disputes and create "individualism"...
its totally different from our current world model of governance and law...
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 19:46 # -
Something like this:
Individualism holds that every person is an end in himself and that no person should be sacrificed for the sake of another.Individualism holds that the individual is the unit of achievement. While not denying that one person can build on the achievements of others, individualism points out that achievement goes beyond what has already been done; it is something new that is created by the individual.
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 19:50 # -
yes....
and it has a formula to it too...
any family with more than 5 members is prone to emotional and financial issues...
any khandan above 60 people in one generation will have issues
any qasba which has over 125 people will eventually have issues needing some form of Law and dispute resolution...
this is the underlying formula for "individualism"...
this way if we structure our society, it is guaranteed to produce a harmonious, much happier, less crime and spiritual society...
its hard to do but its been already done....but its not advertised or shown in the media....
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 19:54 # -
A primary element of individualism is individual responsibility. Being responsible is being pro-active, making one's choices consciously and carefully, and accepting accountability for everything one does---or fails to do. An integral part of responsibility is productivity. The individualist recognizes that nothing nature gives men is entirely suited to their survival; rather, humans must work to transform their environment to meet their needs. This is the essence of production. The individualist takes responsibility for his own production; he seeks to
earn his own way,'' topull his own weight.''Are you pointing towards 'Iqbal's concept of 'Fard' (individual) towards a nation (millat)?
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 20:02 # -
yes, of course this is exactly what the prophetic messege is!
and allam iqbal also went thru the same steps as we do in the western society....so he must have had the same understanding
as I am propagating!
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 20:11 # -
and you are counting on self realization and than self improvement of an individual first, and then the whole society will auto improve, because: individual+........=society....societies+.....=nation!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 20:15 # -
I am couting on an isolationary principle...
like say if we lock pakistan up for 30 years, isolate it from international community, stop all external crap and pay one hundred percent attention to internal issues first.....
same with an individual...like rasool Allah going up to Hira, in isolation for 6 months or so....
self reflection, internal fixation, as a nation or as an individual is called individualism!
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 21:53 # -
@Mulla Nafs-e-Zakkiya
This is exactly what I had thought many times over, but should be done like China did.Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 21:57 # -
individualizm on all levels!
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 22:01 # -
You lock your country up for 2 months and whole nation is dead.
Will you suddenly start producing oil? Who will you export to? Libyan joker Qaddafi tried to do that, but he can because he is an idiot joker.
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 22:22 # -
@bsobaid
China was being exploited by the British, is very well known. The opium war and all related stories. When China closed its borders, it only opened it later to emerge as a formidable power. The rest you know.Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jun 2009 22:27 # -
when people have been ruled for over a 150 years, the ability to "think" is the biggest loss...while the ability to "copy" is the biggest gain!
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 18 Jun 2009 4:11 # -
well you can study the chinese model...but this "individualism" is exactly what Quaid e Azam said, that we have a 1400 year old "principle" and we need not reinvent the wheel....(more or less words)...
Mulla!
Posted 2 years ago on 18 Jun 2009 4:16 # -
zingaro
MemberSupreme Court has started the hearing of missing persons case again. Justice Javed Iqbal said that Missing person case is bigger than NRO. While today he remarked that none of the institutions is working in the right order. If SC tries to correct the problems then some segments start creating chaos, he further added.
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Posted 2 years ago on 06 Jan 2010 7:38 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Aho, I hope all the success to CJ in doing what is right.
Posted 2 years ago on 06 Jan 2010 8:26 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
DAWN News: Judicial commission starts work missing persons case
Tuesday, 04 May, 2010
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The court said that although there would be no interference in the designated role of the commission, it should not dissociate itself completely from the issue of disappeared people. –File PhotoISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court was informed on Monday that a three-member judicial commission headed by former SC judge Kamal Mansoor Alam had started work on cases of missing persons.
--------------------------------------------------------------------How many people remain missing, now ?
Posted 1 year ago on 04 May 2010 11:47 # -
skunk
MemberSupreme Court does not have guts or the will to reign in agencies or army. They are just playing with the emotions of people and people still think its azaad adliya. Three months back they were supposed to give a verdict or ab commission banarahay hain. The only thing good is that Justice Retd Nasira Iqbal is in it as well, who has not given people a chance to doubt her integrity so far.
Posted 1 year ago on 04 May 2010 12:29 #
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