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Natasha
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Israel must launch a military attack against Iran within days, according to one expert — months, according to others — if it is to prevent Iran from going nuclear.

Bolton, who served at the UN under President George W. Bush, had claimed on Fox Business Network that once Russia delivers nuclear fuel to the Bushehr facility this weekend, which is then loaded into the plant’s core, it would be too late for Israel to launch a military strike because an attack would spread radiation and harm Iranian civilians.

“So if Israel is going to do anything against Bushehr it has to move in the next eight days.”

Israel is prepared to wait through December for the sanctions to work, wrote Goldberg, who quoted one Israeli policy maker as saying Israeli intelligence believes Iran will have a nuclear weapon by next March. The Israelis are concerned as to whether President Barack Obama would fulfill his campaign statement that a nuclear Iran was “unacceptable” and that the “world must prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.”

“If the Israelis reach the firm conclusion that Obama will not, under any circumstances, launch a strike on Iran, then the countdown will begin for a unilateral Israeli attack,” Goldberg wrote in an 11-page article.

Full article at :

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/international/heightened_talk_israel_strike_iran

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What do you expect the world will see by the end of 2010?

Posted 1 year ago on 18 Aug 2010 16:32 #
iamsowise
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Israel is not capable to attack Iran without help of US, but something really going to happen in few weeks/months time.

Posted 1 year ago on 18 Aug 2010 17:15 #
Salam
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only reason to strike at iran would be strengthen ahmadinajad who is losing support/popularity fast among conservative/right wing..

in case of iran things are not what they appear to be..

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 5:12 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Iranis have great sense of patriotism. They are not divided like us.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 6:05 #
Salam
member

great sense of patriotism... are you kidding? they suppose to reject 'pagan nationalism' and call for pan-islamism... (referring to conservative/right wing majority)

it is time to get out of Persian myths and check out the ground reality

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 7:02 #
Abdul Rahman
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It all started with the Safavids who steared Iran away from Islam to extreme nationalism. It continues to this day. The notion that Iranians are Aryamehr just like Nazis were proud of being super race Aryan race runs deep.

Israel and West are going to use that against the Ummah at large. I mean whatever is left of the Ummah. Forget any bombing of Iran, rather I suspect West will start arming Iran in future to counter spread of resurgent Islam that has always been threat to colonial onslaught of the past and the neo-colonial hegemony of the present.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 8:19 #
Mirza Ghalib
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AR, hello. After anti-China sentiments, now anti-Iran feelings to the fore. I think you're wrong on both counts. But not to take my word for it. Time will reveal all.

BTW: I did write to you, but the Postmaster returned the message saying the address was wrong? Your turn now to try if you feel like it. See al Faath operations continue thread, please.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 8:56 #
Abdul Rahman
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MG, Sorry about that. I opened that account recently. I need to check.

I wish I were wrong about China and Iran. Are you on internet? News just in about huge explosion in Eastern Turkistan- Xinjiang province with multiple fatalities.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 9:01 #
Mirza Ghalib
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HF above, apart from patriotism, Iran has that great thing we seem totally lacking in: vision. Ahmadinejad is a great leader and we talk of him here as though he were a Zardari. Hah! And he's a true Muslim unlike most of us in Pakistan. The only Muslims I see around me in my own country are within the masses. Their faith makes us still deserve the name of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Our intellectual elite or our wealth elite stopped being Islamic a long time ago. They just know how to talk. And to promote the Sunni-Shia divide, if any such ever existed, in the name of the "purity" of the faith. Really, I ask you.

And, no, neither US nor Israel will take on Iran militarily. The West only knows how to attack the defenceless and faltering and they love, but love, killing children and women. Iran is armed to the teeth.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 9:06 #
Mirza Ghalib
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AR, thanks, shall go and have a look. Anyway, I'll leave my address on al Faath. You write to me first, then. And I'll check out the E Turkistan news, too.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 9:10 #
FJ_ Pak
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Dear HF

I have worked and spent some time in Iran. It was a great learning experience for me regarding Iranians and Shia religion.

The perception which we have ( which is created by media, intelligensia etc) about Iran and iranians is far from reality.

Salaam and AR has touched upon certain traits of iranians (persians.. BTW they prefer and insist on calling themselves as persians). I was absolutely shocked when I heard that people are openly proclaiming that they are persian first and muslims later. I have even heard people saying that they were made muslims by force. They have this deep sense of pride that once they were an empire and Arabs(muslims) came and destroyed that. Just note that there are two weeks holidays for Norooz and only one day for Eid. They also follow their own calender which is known as shamsi calender. During Norooz "celeberations",I have seen with my own eyes, that many many people jumping on the fire to "purify" themselves. I am not trying to put down iranians in any way, just relaying my exoerience and observations. Mukhtar Masood wrote a very good book about his experiences in Iran which is fantastic and as close to the reality as you can get.

As for the mulla rule in iran, beleive me, Mulla rule is what is really acceptable to US and serves her internation strategic objectives in the region. Less said the better in this regard.

As for Shias or iran, my observation was that by looking at them and what they do, Shias of Pakistan looked sunni to me. This is not just my own conclusion but two very good Shia friends of mine in Iran; one from Pakistan and one fron Lebanon.

FJ

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 9:47 #
Natasha
Member

//only reason to strike at iran would be strengthen ahmadinajad who is losing support/popularity fast among conservative/right wing.. //

Ok I didnt get that. Are you implying that Ahmedenijad is friends with Israel?

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 9:58 #
Abdul Rahman
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The West is also to be blamed for rewriting history of Middle East including Iran that many intellectuals were taught in schools and colleges. The race element was overly focussed saying that Iranians are Indo-Europeans and not semitic like the Arabs. The same was written about Kurds that they are indo-europeans. This identification of Iranians with West had a profound impact on a generation of Iranians that FJ witnessed in Iran.

If you look at the majority of Iranians in America and West, they never call themselves Iranians and are very much secularized and have no afffinity with Islam. Most are remnants of Shah of Iran's henchmen and army brass who were given "green card" due to their looted wealth. Any Tom **** and Harry can get immigrant visa if he can show $$$ in assets, even if that person was a crook and a murderer.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 10:00 #
SAR
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faarigh jazbati, that is utter non sense
i dont see a bit of reality in what you say, and i have been to iran 4 times

western media is biased
ofcourse, they'd say stuff to create rifts between the muslims. that is how they shape the thinking of people all over the word. they're trying to fuel up the middle-east and other muslim countries as well against iran...

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 10:05 #
Aay Khokar
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Why Iran Must Be Eliminated?

(From Archive: published in The Daily Star –Lebanon, 8 Sep 2006)
By A Khokar
Before this that we come to any conclusion about Iran; we need to know the back ground that why Iran who has never carried out any offensive operation against anyone in the region, is a contentious issue for the west and why Iran must not be allowed to arm itself with nuclear weapons?

Well, it was early forties that in the wake of Adolph Hitler's adventurism and fanciful conceit to create a Nazi realm in Europe; he started grabbing his neighbouring countries one after another which was later called World War II. Threat of losing their home lands at home, it compelled the Western colonial powers in occupation of many other countries around the world, to abandon their colonial adventures and revert back home to safe guard their own well sought nests… in Europe. In order to dislodge the Nazi forces and check their onslaught, this withdrawal from foreign lands intern resulted in freeing some 40 countries serving as western colonies and they were able to shed subjugation , take a breath of relief and enjoy freedom. From there on; although Europe and American forces remained on continuous retreat but major colonial powers were able to do at least one thing; to draw new border lines before they leave. Although they did give the freedom to the subject colonies but in order to create blood barriers and rifts among the local tribes and regions, they were able to demarcate the colonies with new border lines. They installed scores of dictators, monarch and kings to police and rule the new states with intent to act as remote controlled western proxies. Thus, leaving ample chances for the colonial forces to revisit or avail a come back later in future to act as reconciliatory.

Soon after the end of WWII, It had just past few years that a large scale discovery of oil in Middle East in early Fifties changed the entire scenario of affairs in newly freed countries. This also motivated the old colonial powers to come back and take the lucrative emerging resources in control to run their oil based economies at home. Since then there has been lot of ‘oil exploration’ carried out by the west in the areas but the local indigenous masses remained totally aloof and unconcerned, being ignorant and as un-lettered old subjugated lot trekking their nomadic lives. Ever since many moves are seen taking place by the west in order to secure a good foot hold and control as well as to avail a continuous and secured flow of extracted oil from the area. It also included the arrangements to lay the massive oil pipe lines and its transportations to suck the oil out and reach safely to the west.

The flow in of oil revenue for kings and monarchs created a natural resentment among the local unlettered masses and it tended them to stop check the exploitation and resist their re-shackling into subjugation and deceitful policies of deprivation and adversity.

Whereas the previously installed kings, the monarchs and dictators were made use of to exploit the situation and establish business enterprises to secure foot holds; agents like Israel were also created to ‘spin-****-escalate’ the war like situations in the area so that west can move in freely with the frightful forces in the name of maintenance of peace and security. In this process where the western savagery so exerted has learnt to parcel out its violence neatly, the local resistance is seen as obvious, blatant and brutal.

Iraq war lead by US is the latest episode on the line of western onslaught; the obvious retaliation of locals against the war and deprivation of their sovereignty has been termed as ‘war against terror’. The US hegemonic adventurism to keep the lands and routes of oil in their folds has brought the turmoil, chaos and anarchy in the lives of people in affected regions. Millions of innocent people have been displaced or killed and their civic amenities as well a infrastructure destroyed.

In order to avail a cake walk for the US lead forces and to exert the power of the Allies in the battle fields extending from the Red Sea in Middle East in the south to the High lands in the North in Afghanistan, the entire region ought to be deprived of any potent defensive arsenals to put up any resistance; may it be the purchase, procurement from abroad or any local manufacturing.

In Iraq, after the consolidations of US mega bases in Green Zone and establishment of many other ‘Command and controls anchorages’ in the Gulf States; Iran the odd one out is putting up a sufficient potent resistance and thus has been declared as the ‘priority enemy target’ of the western Allies. The production of any deterring weapon like nuclear weapons or any potent arsenal by Iran is seen as threat to the plans of US hegemonic adventurism.

Iran is the hurdle in the way of victory; it must be eliminated or cut to size and be subjugated at all costs.

So it may not be long that we see the fly past of waves after waves of Allied air sorties with the state of the art, target homing Missiles carrying out their precision strikes and taking out the possible Iranian potent arsenal producing sites and other military targets!
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Love for all, Hatred for None

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 10:12 #
Mirza Ghalib
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Rizvi Sahib, Let them be, the anti-Iran people on this blog. They think they know their Iran through Shahdooust and others like them. Now there's even an attempt to drive a wedge between Iranian and Pakistani Shias. Wait a bit, and we'll suddenly learn to our utter consternation that our real enemy is not at all the West, but neighbouring Iran. Ah, our great fantasisers! I liked Natasha's seemingly innoncent question, though.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 10:16 #
FJ_ Pak
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@ SAR Rizvi

Bro you have the right to disagree with me. I have only described my experience. I am not a biased person and despite being a sunni has no hesitation to pray behind a shia.

You may well be to Iran 4 times, but I have lived there for long time and have interacted with Iranian on daily basis. Yes I have not lived in south tehran and was living in North tehran where most of the rich and well off iranian live, So my experience is based upon interacting with those people.

MG: By God, I have no intention to drive a wedge between iranian and pakistan shia. I was just trying to elaborate the point that there are certain zoorastrian tradition which are ingrained in iranian soceity. Just ask any iranian why they must have 7 things starting with Seen (S) at Norooz and what is the origin of that tradition.

BTW Iranian dont know much about Pakistan and large proportion dont even know that Pakistan is a muslim country. They have more information about india than pakistan.

FJ

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 10:26 #
SAR
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k, thats surprising!
u have no hesitation to pray behind a shia despite of mistaking them for zoarostrians and followers of US backed mulla rule!!!
zoarostrian make up the 2% minority in iran which also includes hindus, bahais, jews, christians. the rest 98% are muslims
iran doesnt consist of just south and north tehran! i have been to and stayed in qom, mashhad, isphahan, tehran, jamkaran, nishabur, zahidan, hamdan etc and have traveled only by road, travelling through a lot of smaller cities/towns and villages!

i doubt that the things that u mentioned happen in tehran commonly... u should revisit iran some time and spend time at places other than where u lived before

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 10:43 #
Mirza Ghalib
member

FJ, sorry, I didn't mean to upset you by my remark. I know North Tehran, too. The greenies come from there. In my eyes, they are as little representative of Iran as the shahdooust, that wealth elite wasting their time on west-worship. Oh, yes, we know that lot all right. No different from our own Greed and Grab lot.

And sure, they have zorastrian traits remaining in their culture, just as we have Hindu traits remaining in ours. But their religion as ours remain unpolluted by such things.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 10:47 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

FJ,

You are right. It is more or less same trend in Arab world too. I came across Egyptians that didn't know that Turkey is a Muslim country and has 99% Muslims and was once Ottoman Khilafa.

The secular educational system imposed by colonialists is still taught in almost all these countries. Although it was meant to educate the masses to gain employment in both public and private sector it had its own agenda of keeping the Muslims divided and ignorant about their own history. The history as taught in schools is very much focused on the European notion of nationalism.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 10:49 #
gv
Member

The fact is that the iranians are a proud nation who know who they are and where they come from... which is something im afraid we cannot say for ourselves..

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 11:09 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

Iran "Proud" of Arya Mehr? Where did they come from? Europe?

Again the nationalism was deliberately inculcated to make them to be "proud" of something that is alien to Islam. Same with Egyptians being proud of Pharoanic past. There is nothing to be proud of Pyramids built on the blood and sweat of slave labor. Islam came to smash these affiliations to pagan past. That trend permeates the whole Muslim world. Incidentally this trend developed AFTER colonialism .

Pakistan "proud" of Indus , Mohenja daro civilization
Iraq "proud" of Assyrian civilization
Syrian "proud" of Hittite civilization
Turkey "proud" of Chengiz Khan and Halaku Khan
Iran "proud" of Aryamehr-Zarthost
Even Saudis are "proud" of some old desert civilization that is fueling Saudi nationalism.
etc etc etc

Are any one of these nations proud of being Muslims?

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 11:20 #
gv
Member

@AR

there is nothing wrong in taking pride in your national past islamic or otherwise

only a muslim who has a weak faith would be threatened by this

ps. Aryan is a indo-iranian word

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 11:21 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

gv, There is nothing to be proud of a national past. Islam came to smash the idol of nationalism. We should never resurrect that. A Muslim will end up with utter confusion and leave faith when he is confronted with dualism. Nation or Islam, Islam or nation. Islam is everything. Nation is minute part of Islam.

Salman Farsi RA came in search of truth and reached Madina and embraced Islam. He left his nation, religion and relatives and found a new home. And the famous Hadith of Prophet SAS: Salman is from the house of the Prophet. Prophet SAS made this revolutionary Hadith and smashed affiliations to a nation.

The Aryan race is a concept historically influential in Western culture, in the period of the late 19th century and early 20th century. It derives from the idea that the original speakers of the Indo-European languages and their descendants up to the present day constitute a distinctive race or subrace of the larger Caucasian race.[1] Belief in the existence of an Aryan race is sometimes referred to as Aryanism.

While originally meant simply as a neutral ethno-linguistic classification, it was later used for ideologically motivated racism in Nazi and neo-Nazi doctrine and hence also in other currents such as occultism and white supremacism.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 11:28 #
gv
Member

@AR

There is no dualism in faith and nationality. Knowledge of ones national past is crucial in forming a healthy identity and sense of national unity. Faith is separate from that - One can be hindu or christian and still be a proud pakistani.

Ps I think you need to do a bit more research on the origins of the word arya/aryan

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 11:43 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

http://aryamehr11.blogspot.com/

Aryan is a indo Iranian word but what does it mean. It means light of the "aryans".

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 11:56 #
Salam
member

//Ok I didnt get that. Are you implying that Ahmedenijad is friends with Israel?//

it is not as simple as black & white, but what i know is that without iranian support us/nato would never have been able to conquer/sustain Iraq & Afghanistan invasions!!!

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 14:57 #
barackosama
Member

The sense in the media is, Israel is not after weakening Iran or her nukes. They basically have had enough of the nuisance of Ahmedenejad. The Jews want a regime change in Iran, much like WMD topi drama but goal was ridding of Saddam Hussain.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 15:14 #
telengr
Member

@ Abdul Rehman

Agree with the things you said. However, just one point, about turkey, they wont be proud of Gengis or Halaku Khan, as these khans were Mongols. Turks have every reason to be proud of ottomon caliphate and before that being capital of roman empire.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 16:23 #
aftab
Member

This JB is a typical Yanky Cowboy. Who gave you the right to own 10000 nuclear weapons and the only country in the world to ever use them and then go around lecturing others not to build the weapons, this is the height of hypocrisy.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 17:17 #
iamsowise
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Iran is our nighbour country, Israel-US war against Iran would destablize the whole region and we are already living in "stone age".

Tuftan border between Iran and Pakistan

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 17:44 #
SYED AMMAR BUKHARI
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Neither is ISRAEL a JEWISH, but a MASONIC, state nor are JEWS the followers of MOSES and DAVID PBUT but of NIMROD, GALIATH, KING SAUL AND PHAROAH. Likewise, The flag of ISRAEL, set to represent DAVIDSTAR, depicts the Masonic symbol consisting of compass and square superimpose with a straight/ inverted pyramids

The Secular Forces operating in Europe maneuvered a civil war between Jews and Christians and, after conclusion of the Second World War, managed for the former to leave Germany and Eastern Europe. While the well-to-do amongst the Jews were enabled to move to the UK and USA, the poorer ones were invited from all over the world to settle in Israel for instigating such perpetual clash between Jews and Muslims as disgraces BAITUL MUQADDAS, the place held sacred by not only the Jews and Muslims but also the Christians.

The Jews and Muslims have, thus, been continuously engaged since 1949 in a deadly economic and social war which, unbeknown to them, achieves nothing except to advance the seculars’ wishful objective of continuous global dominance through a world government promoted by internecine conflict amongst the Jews, Christians and Muslims.

However, since the conflict around ISRAEL has not been concluded in more than half a century, time has now come for JEWS AND MUSLIMS to review the causes for which both has been bleeding each other. It is, therefore, imperative that the two side revert to the MITHAQ-AL-MADINA concluded in the 7th century.

SURA ALMAIDA Verse-82 ALQURAN:
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And you will find the nearest in love to the believers those who say:
We are the Christians. That is because amongst them priests and monks and they are not proud.

SURA AL-AN’AM Verse 161 ALQURAN:
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Say: “Verily, my Lord Hath guided me to A Way that is straight – A religion of right – The Path (trod) by Abraham The true in Faith,

SURAH AN-NAHL Verse 123 ALQURAN:
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So we have taught thee The inspired (Message), “Follow the ways of Abraham
The True in Faith,

SURA ANBIA Verse-92 ALQURAN:
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Verily, this brotherhood of yours is a single nation and I am your lord and cherisher. Therefore serve me.

SURA MOMENON Verse-49, 50, 52 ALQURAN:
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And we gave Moses the book, in order that they might receive guidance.

And we made the son of Mary and his mother as a sign. We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security, and furnished it with springs.

And verily this Ummah (Brotherhood) of yours is a single nation.

-SURA ANKABUT Verse-46 ALQURAN
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And dispute ye not With the People of the Book, Except with means better (Than mere disputation), unless It be with those of them Who inflict wrong (and injury), But say, “We believe In the revelation which has Come down to us and in that Which came down to you; Our God and your God Is One; and it is to Him We bow.

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Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 5:20 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Salam

I have come across a lot of Iranis in my life. They simply tell us that first they are Iranis and then they are Muslims. They are immoderately patriotic. If they are attacked, they will not let their aggressors go back unhurt. Despite their chaotic system after revolution, Saddam failed to defeat them. They defended their country very aggressively.

Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 8:14 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I personally believe it is Pakistan's turn. USA will start war against Pakistan, this time. After Pakistan it will be Iran's turn.

The point is, the question is, what are people of Pakistan doing about all of this ?

Are we going to let it happen ? Are we going to watch most everything unfold like dead zombies ? ..waiting for our turn to be obliterated ?

Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 10:14 #
Not Possible
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Faarigh Jazbati

Shamsi Calender comes from shams, shams means the moon, the moon calender is the Islamic calender, incase you dont know why we look at the moon for the start of Ramadan or eid. Your knowledge seems to be as limited as that of those in Northern Tehran. Not at all reflective of entire Iran.

Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 13:52 #
pakistani47
Member

Not Possible

What a joke? Shams means moon?? Shams means sun dear not possible. For moon we use word Qamar. OK

Posted 1 year ago on 03 Sep 2010 14:34 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

hariskhan

Aslam Aleikum,

We are already under attack. Whatever happening in our country these days is definitely based on foreign support. We are obviously under attack already.

Iranis are a unitedly strong nation, so they can't be attacked easily. They are one nation. In our case, we are divided and disintegrated people like mobs, so we are vulnerable to any aggression.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 2:58 #
Not Possible
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@pakistani47
I stand corrected, Ramadan would do that to you.However that makes the statment even more precarious, If Jan-Dec is not a Shamsi calender, then what is it? and we follow it so whats the big deal if people in Northern Tehran follow it?

Such myopia is blind attempt to throw dirt at a united Nation who is atleast standing up again America. We are a divided nation killing each other and Iran is bad?? I mean people whats wrong with us? Do we all need to be admitted to a mental institution?

Lastely Pakistani47 you still didnt say which party you support?

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Sep 2010 4:31 #
pakistani47
Member

Not Possible,

I have started to like you as a good blogger. As I saw few good threads initiated by you.

Jan and Dec. are Shamsi calender months. Shamsi Calendar has 365.25 days in a year. Whereas Moharram, Safar etc. are Qamari calender months. Qamari Calender has about 355 days in a year. OK.

As far as my party affliation is concerned, I am not affliated to any party. That party has not been created yet. I am waiting eagerly that some good guy establish a good and credible party so that I may join it.

However I liked the era of 1999 to 2002. It was very good period everything was working quite well. I wish that we had such 10 to 20 years. This does not mean that I support Mush. It was not mush alone in that era. He had very good team at that time.

Posted 1 year ago on 05 Sep 2010 8:02 #
SYED AMMAR BUKHARI
Member

Pakistani dictatorship is an evil Democracy
and
Pakistani democracy is an evil Dictatorship

Main problem is 1973 constitution because
1) it is not workable document. We need amendment on every step to move forward.
2)IT CAN NOT DIFFERENTIATE good and evil.
if a member votes according to his conscious against the will of party. He can be blamed for floor crossing
if a member sells his loyalty. He will claim that he has voted according to his conscious.
* OUR POLITICAL PARTIES ARE PROPRIETARY.
* NONE IS DEMOCRATIC
* BOTH PARTIES RUN THEIR SHOW THROUGH BUREAUCRATS
NOT POLITICIANS

punishing the criminal big or small, is only possible
when The state will play a supervisory role, regulating and promoting every aspect of life through public institutions.
All discretionary authorities will be seized
and the spontaneity of individuals will, through planning, foresight and co-operation, be combined with similar institution. Public institutions will be run with citizen input provided at all levels

Posted 1 year ago on 06 Sep 2010 6:33 #
Not Possible
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thanks Pakistani47

we have our diffrences but lets keep it a respecful discussion at all times.

Posted 1 year ago on 07 Sep 2010 12:32 #
barackosama
Member

Do it Isrealhell, but do a clean job unlike Americans in Iraq.

Posted 1 year ago on 07 Sep 2010 15:15 #
pakistani47
Member

Thanks Not Possible

Yes, we have our diffrences but lets keep it a respecful discussion at all times

Posted 1 year ago on 08 Sep 2010 18:05 #

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