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India - Threat Number One

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  1. India – Threat Number One (By Talha Mujaddidi)

    Pakistan army Chief Gen. Kayani has made key changes to the national security policy of Pakistan. After the NATO summit, Gen. Kayani has made it clear to the US and its allies, that for the Pakistan army, India remains threat number one. This is after Indian Army Chief, Deepak Kapoor came out with a series of statements regarding Pakistan and even China. The first was his statement was that a nuclear war between India and Pakistan is possible. Then came another stunning and quietly laughable statement that, ‘India can simultaneously fight war with Pakistan and China’, (General Kapoor’s statements were made at a closed-door seminar at the Army Training Command, Shimla, India where he underlined the need to bolster India’s capability to wage a two-front war (against Pakistan and China).

    Then came the Deepak Kapoor’s announcement of a “Cold Start Strategy” against Pakistan.

    These positions taken by the Kapoor verified the worst suspicions of Pakistan military commanders - that India still views Pakistan as its foremost enemy and as it rides the US war machine for control of Afghanistan. Gen. Kayani has made it absolutely clear to the US that India considers Pakistan its number one enemy and therefore, the Pakistan military takes threats from Indian Army Chief very seriously. This is all in the backdrop of India occupying Kashmir since 1947, and more recently stopping Pakistan’s water supply which has led to water shortages in Pakistan, which is heavily dependent on its agriculture-based economy. Therefore, Pakistan will not tolerate India making further inroads into Afghanistan, thus ramping up the threat to our country. Recently, Gen. Kayani talked to Pakistani and foreign media for the first time in detail. Some excerpts from the conversation are worth pondering. ("Pindi Manifesto", Outlook magazine, by Mariana Babar)

    “Kayani proudly talked about the successful army operations in Swat, Malakand and South Waziristan. The myth had been broken, he said, that no army could take control of South Waziristan and hold it. Heliborne operations at 8,000 feet in South Waziristan were the largest ever in South Asia, he declared, and for which the US didn’t pay a cent”.

    When the conversation turned to India, Gen Kayani’s addressed strategic issues. The following conclusions can easily be drawn from his words:

    Pakistan won’t countenance a significant role for India in Afghanistan;
    New Delhi’s recent military pronouncements worry Islamabad immensely;
    The gains from backchannel diplomacy, launched during Pervez Musharraf’s 2 rule, need not necessarily be the starting point for Islamabad now; and Kashmir remains Pakistan’s principal focus.
    Gen. Musharraf’s U-turn on Pakistan’s Kashmir policy was deeply resented by people of Pakistan. Gen. Kayani is now steering the Kashmir policy back to the pre-Musharraf track. The Pakistan Army has told the government that back channel diplomacy between India and Pakistan amounts to nothing more than pages of history when Gen. Musharraf gave elaborate concessions to Indians.

    Kayani’s Response to India’s “Cold Start Doctrine”

    Gen. Kayani intoned emphatically, “Yes, we are India-centric.” He then went on to spell out his reasons, taking quite seriously Indian army chief Deepak Kapoor’s cold start doctrine articulated in December 2009. General Kayani said,

    “We have unresolved issues, a history of conflict and now the cold start doctrine. Help us resolve these issues so that we can shift our attention from the eastern borders to the west. Let us normalize these burning issues. We want peaceful coexistence with India. After all, India has the capability, and good intentions can change overnight.”

    General Kayani also opposed the idea of India training the Afghan National Army.

    “Strategically, we cannot have an Afghan army on my western border which has an Indian mindset. If we have an army trained by Pakistan, there will be better interactions on the western border.

    “Our objective is that at the end of all this (Afghanistan), we should not be standing in the wrong corner of the room and should remain relevant in the region. This is our greatest challenge.”

    Thinking beyond the US/NATO Occupation

    Gen. Kayani’s recent stance has gained popular support from people of Pakistan; this also highlights the importance of the Pakistan Military high command’s observation of situation in Afghanistan. The Pakistan Military is now thinking of life in Afghanistan beyond the US/NATO occupation. Pakistan army does not want to have Indian Army floating around inside Afghanistan. Pakistan will also not want to damage its ties with Afghan Taliban.

    http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_58773.shtml

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Mar 2010 16:56 #
  2. No doub't India remains to be threat No.1 for Pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 5:12 #
  3. Gen Kiyani would agree with you there, Mod. But some of us say get rid of the West in our parts and you'll see how arrogant India's pretensions will collapse like a punctured balloon.

    India is preening itself at the moment because it seems to feel it's on the side of the angels. What a laugh!

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 9:46 #
  4. India was carved out from the subcontinent with a long-term purpose by the colonials:
    1. End of Muslim rule from the subcontinent as Muslims have never been friendly towards English and Europeans due to their participation and contribution in crusades. Also Mughal rulers looked up to Turkish Khalifas that was loathed and resented by the limies.

    2. Creation of hotspots as a future market for their arms sales and to have an upper hand, as an excuse to interfere into internal affairs of newly formed states. Examples are Hong Kong, Taiwan, Gibraltar, Israel (Palestine), Pakistan (Kashmir), N&S Koreas, E&W Germanys(former), South Africa, Splitting of Sham into Syria, Jordan, Lebanon etc. N&S Yemen, Duran line between Pak-Afghanistan borders. Some states are themselves hotspots even today. The list is long.

    Muslims of the subcontinent thought they have won a homeland through their efforts for themselves. Overlooking the weak link between East and West Pakistan, Kashmir and Junagarh, Kalat, Durand Line, unjust allocation of Gurdaspur to India, Muslims had been thoroughly cheated by their colonial masters.

    They left behind a legacy of brown sahibs in India and Pakistan both. India was smart to over come this by taking some bold steps such as abolishing feudal system while Pakistan is just being abused again and again by the left behind children of Lord Macaulay. Now they are trying hard to sell it, dismembered or whole depends on the buyers.

    We should learn that the issue of Kashmir was celebrate to keep this part of the globe occupied in a never ending turmoil. We should stop looking towards the west for assistance towards a solution of this issue. They wont as this is not for what they created hot spots in the first place. This is reality and we have to live with it. India remains our sworn enemy. Pakistanis should always be prepared for the unexpected towards the worst from India. No good is coming out of Hindutva zealots and there is no hope it would. Aman ki a’ash remains a wish that will never be realized.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 10:14 #
  5. We should learn to stand on our own (by the grace of Allah (ST), trust our instincts, learn to depend on our resources and not on aid, refrain from provincial hate. We are Pakistanis first regardless of our beliefs. We should behave/act as a one unit on national issues, not a divided nation.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 10:22 #
  6. Thank you. That was an excellent summation of Brit colonial policies above. I'll keep that on my files, too.

    As for India, it's enemy number one, but always along with the West. Never alone. That should be borne in mind as well perhaps.

    As for Pakistani self-reliance, round the corner, I'd say. One thing the dirty wars did do for us Muslims. It jolted us straight out of slumbering complacency and into meaningful action.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 10:34 #
  7. Very true Mirza Ghalib, Jazzak Allah Khair.
    Your observation is correct on India that never stood alone, always supported and favoured by the West works well to our favor jolting us Pakistanis. We are alone and look towards Allah the merceyful and great for help. Not asking other countries.

    I have a question here. Why is India supported more by the West and not Pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 10:42 #
  8. A one word answer: Israel.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 12:29 #
  9. Indeed! Absolutely correct. India and Israel are defense partners. Pakistan is a threat to Isreal so they side with India.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 12:34 #
  10. As the secret has been disclosed, what should be a practicable mode of action to protect the sovereignty of Pakistan?
    Pakistanis have lived enough on emotional and theoretical discussions and promises.
    Still they are waiting for some convincing line of direction.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 12:44 #
  11. We are Pakistanis first regardless of our beliefs. We should behave/act as a one unit on national issues, not as a divided nation.

    Mod has siad it beautifully on our sense of nationalism. Really we all like Sindhis, Baluchis, Punjabis, Pukhtoons and Kashmiris should think and act as a one unit PAKISTAN.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 12:54 #
  12. Yes, we are Pakistanis first and foremost. all joined at the hip, if you like, to use an expression made popular by Hamid Karzai in his recent visit to Islamabad.

    All the rest of it is simply narrow-minded provincialism. Tribal warfare is as stupid as the sectarian version of the thing. We are Pakistanis. We are Muslims. More need not be said on the subject.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 19:00 #
  13. singh isking
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    @ mirza ghalib
    india and pakistan have every right to say each other enemy no 1 or 2 but get your facts straight india is not under influence of west as u described .look at ur history with honesty who aliened with west. india started non aligined movement.pakistan was and is in usa camp.india was pro USSR.after collapse of ussr india changed its foreign policy due to economic reason not so called stratigic reason.
    i dont understand why pakistani are in denial mode to accept they had been in USA camp in cold war even now ur government is micromanaged from washington and london. u still say india is pro west.india has relation with western countries on equal grounds.we do not accept their any interference without invitation.for ur information we signed 80bn$ nuclear deal with russia.how can u. say india rely on west

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 19:46 #
  14. singh isking
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    india and pakistan have most strained relation any country can have but ground reality is both are nuclear countries.any person who knows destructive power of these weapons and who loves humanity will hope not to have war between india and pakistan despite of having mega disputes.
    i dont know about pakistan but india have big issues of poverty,health ,education and infra -structure. in that respect india cant afford any conflict or war and personally i will oppose any idea, disscussion, in any domain social ,internet or platform which will promote war hysteria within my capacity as indvidual.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 20:13 #
  15. Right, singh isking, thank you for pointing out things in India's past which made it less of a puppet government than it is today: the Non-Aligned Movement and the friendship with the Soviet Union. True as well that Russia and India seemed to have signed an arms deal in recent days. Let's see what comes of it.

    But, alas, equally true, that India has fallen into the West camp head first over the past decade or so. It does Israel's bidding much of the time, has meddled in Afghanistan since the word go, and has grown ever more belligerent with neighbour Pakistan with every day that passes, the most recent horror being the dams which they hope will cut off Pakistan from its natural water supplies.

    I sometimes wonder whether all this comes from the fact that a white woman is in a leading position in that country. At least Pakistan has not yet sunk so low. But low enough in other ways, that, unfortunately, is also true. As you rightly say above the present government is "micromanaged from Washington and London.

    But at a time when Pakistan is finally waking up to the danger the West represents, the Indians, seems to me, have settled down to cosy relations with the Evil Empire. And mainly it seems to be Israel-obsessed. And fuelled by hatred of the Muslims. This will lead to no good, I fear.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 20:13 #
  16. singh isking
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    @ mirza ghalib
    dont tell me that if a white women who married an indian become indian citizen and is now head of ruling party means india is ruled by whites or west.
    from the day humans started living in groups the reality is if u stand with power and wisdom no other group can dominate you but if one group is at weaker end it is ought to be dominated that is human behaviour which implies to countries as well.
    as ur statements about hatred about muslims it is all polical issues made to gain votes. in public life in india most 90% of poeple live with respect to each other religion.yes, there are group of people who have problems with each other as i say india has lot to do so concerned people are working on those issuses as well and most important thing is we see the light at end of tunnel

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 20:30 #
  17. singh isking
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    @mirza ghalib
    i being a sikh ( although i believe in every religion or i believe neither) we have history of fighting with muslim rulars of the time. and in society from forklores we are told muslims are enemy no 1. now when one grow up tries to understand things with ones own brain lot of notions sheds away. and maturity teaches person to look things in diffrent prospectives so as a adult i realised those wars and conflicts were just need of those times dosent have to be true in present times.point i want to make is that u said about hatred towards muslims is in indian society but to not extent way u are exaggurating

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 20:44 #
  18. singh isking
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    @mirza ghalib
    i am great fan of another person of ur id name . i hope u are aware of him. he was urdu poet of last century. he will be very proud to know another person in 21 century is born with name or avtaar identical to him and is great scholar on 'pkpoliotics'.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 20:48 #
  19. Just this to above posts. Sonya Gandhi, in my eyes, remains an Italian. But have it your own way. We ourselves are so busy playing our colonial elitist roles. Perhaps it makes little difference that we have a genuine white woman to act as a role model.

    Regarding the Sikhs, they were the enemies of the Muslims. Now necessity had taught them perhaps that their most reliable allies are those very same Muslims they were once taught to hate.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 22:47 #
  20. singh isking
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    what necessity sikhs are must flourishing and prospours comminity in india and abroad.i think u mis understood what i wanted to say was on basis of human value not a religious one.i invite u to state of east punjab u will witness people living with hormony and prosperity despite of diffrent faiths.even though we dont have muslim population in east punjab but you will witness muslim shrines being visited by crowds of many in every city and town of east punjab.
    i didn't got ur point of necessity please eleborate.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 22:58 #
  21. singh isking
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    @ mirza ghalib
    u mean thinking of one person through his own brain without following stereotypes is some kind of forced thought process.
    no my dear that is flower which blossom in secular country

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 23:04 #
  22. Dear singh isking, I don't know about stereotypes. It's a West word I'm not fond of. I was talking plan hard fact and bitter experience.

    About the Sikhs, what I meant was when the imminent Sikh uprising against the forces of hinduism takes place, the Sikhs will look to the Muslims for support and aid. Or so I've read and been told.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 23:26 #
  23. singh isking
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    @ mirza ghalib
    sikh uprising back in 80's was political drama created by congress and our local political party akali dal which engulfed some religiously emotional people and many innocent lives were lost. its history now there is no such thing atleast in east punjab.
    about west yes i also feels lot of political and culutural pressure is being put in india as well which is not in alignment with local population

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 23:36 #
  24. singh isking
    Member

    @ all
    when i was growinn up in late 80's i was told and it was very popolar belive that pakistan with help of america is trying to break india.now same phenomenon is happening in ur country. i dont understand and find something fishy.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Mar 2010 23:49 #
  25. "Something fishy?" How true, now right! The present set of circumstances for the Subcontinent must be blamed on the West. Their dark, manipulative presence here where they've no business being. And playing India off Pakistan, or vice versa, is a ploy they've never been shy of using. The thing is, in the final analysis, India has as much reason to be wary of the West as Pakistan has. The West is both our enemies. But tell that to the elite and middle-classes who have the feeling their country is doing fine. Someday, too, India will get the thinking, compassionate leaders it deserves. It cannot be otherwise.

    Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 8:37 #
  26. @singh isking
    Sikh uprising back in 80's was political drama created by congress and our local political party alkali dale which engulfed some religiously emotional people.

    Khalistan is a Khalsa dream since pre partition that continues even today.
    In 1954, when Master Tara Singh reminded Nehru of the solemn understanding given to Sikhs many times on behalf of the majority Hindu community, that after Independence the Sikhs would be given an autonomous state, he coolly replied, the circumstances have now changed.

    Nehru went back on his words; the real cause of dissent and frustration among Sikhs. Within time, Bhinderanwaley had morphed into a formidable giant with a large Sikh following. Gandhi erred and ordered sacking of Golden Temple. Thousands were killed. Gandhi was never forgiven and murdered in revenge for this crime. Her murder itself, as a backlash on Sikhs resulted in countless killings and lynching of Sikhs all over India.

    Gill's police action based on lists provided by BB is not the end of this story. It is possible to subdue or suppress a movement, but it cannot be destroyed completely.

    I suggest you come to Pakistan, and while you visit Sikh Holy Shrines, see for yourself how people from both sides of Punjab interact with each other!

    As you may see Khalistan movement has a background and not just political drama staged in the 1980s.

    Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 9:33 #

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