aristotle
Member
Bhai haris
apne alawa bhi kisi ko musalman samj lia karo
ya aap k khayal me jo JI se andhi aqeedat nahi rakhta wo Muslim nahi?
goya JI k alawa sab Hindu agent hen, khub
Bhai fatwa dene me itni jaldi na kia karo
btw, who delegated to u this authority? i mean to call others Hindu Agent?
aise tu hum bhi aap ko Al-qaeda ya TTP ka agent qarar de saktey hen
magar dey gay nahi
RajputPuttar
Member
BAhiyoo
Don't worry about Harris. He is like "Khassiani billi" at the momenet.
Lets all of us pray that
May ALLAH save us from Mansoora's Islam
and keep us on the right path
and give us the courage & energy to defend Hazrat Muhmmad's PBUH Islam from all fitnas.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Chand loag, aik bande ki himayat kar rahe hain, jo khud ye kehta hai ke subcontinent ke loago'n ko 'Ashoka' ki taraf wapas jana chahiye.
Its the age old desire of Indians to re-merge Pakistan into India.
Chand loag chahte hain ke main aise bande se baat karoon ?
lol @ give us the courage & energy to defend Hazrat Muhmmad's PBUH Islam from all fitnas.
(sarcasm) AALA! (/sarcasm)
RajputPuttar
Member
hariskhan
Show me where i said
"
subcontinent ke loago'n ko 'Ashoka' ki taraf wapas jana chahiye.
"
Lets decide here, if u could show this , i would just quit otherwise u apologize.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Here is the post, with the statement.
RajputPuttar
Member
This is my original msg.
"
Almost 75% of popluation of current pakistan is son of the soil who belong to sub-continent. Their ancestors (like mine) leads us to Ashoka the great , chundargupt moriya and others not to deserts of arabia.
"
Here i spoke of the ancestory of pakistanis and no doubt about it.
Does the change of religion bring change in ancestory ?
Laanat hoo aaisi logic paar.
"INSANOON MEIN BAAP NAHI BADLA JAATA'.
Laaant hoo un logon paar jo baap badlney mein yaqeen rakhtey haain.
RajputPuttar
Member
yahan saay bhi bhaag giyaa haai eik banda.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
No one from JI ever called anyone Kafir, let alone Kafir-e-Azam.
This is a propaganda. Maulana Maududi's original words are being twisted to present a negative picture.
RajputPuttar
Member
harris
Jawab doo ,
HOw u infered
"subcontinent ke loago'n ko 'Ashoka' ki taraf wapas jana chahiye."
from my above statement. Sharam tum ko magar aati naai.
RajputPuttar
Member
harris
Jawab doo ,
HOw u infered
"subcontinent ke loago'n ko 'Ashoka' ki taraf wapas jana chahiye."
from my above statement. Sharam tum ko magar aati naai.
aristotle
Member
ARAY Bhai rajputt
keo chilla rahey ho? kis ko dunnd rahey ho ?
haris bhai wapas aney k nahi aur na he wo tum ko koi jawab dey gay
ye un ka purana tareeqa hay k jab koi jawab nahi ban parta tu bhag letey hen
ya chup sadh letey hen
ya
dosro ko daira islam se kharij kar detey hen
me ne eik dafa ye poch lia k QAZI Hussain ya Munawar Hassn k kay kisi betey ka naam bata den jis ne jihad me hissa lia ho /shaheed ya ghazi hoa ho? bus us din se ghaib hen bhayya haris:)
RajputPuttar
Member
aristotle
Actually he is just here to do baseless propoganda. If u just look at the threads he has opened over last 30 days or so and see at them, just bashing of the political forces in a sterotype manner. No brain like a typical jamaati.
U can just see, from above posts that how he infered that i was asking pakistanis to revert to hinduism.
Thats why i have nicknamed him Harris CMM Level 5. (Certificate in Munafaqat from Mansoora).
aristotle
Member
Agreed
Deen Mullah fee sabil allah fasad (Allama Iqbal)
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
First, you'r forgetting who ALLAMA Iqbal attributed this to. It was for a specific group. Not in general. So, your inference here is false.
When you use it in general, you call for a good spanking of your words :-)
Secondly, do you know Iqbal's message ?
Iqbal didn't call Muslims to your kind. He called Muslims towards Islami Nizam. Muslims need MULLAH to survive. Muslims need MULLAH to implement Islami Nizam. Their current predicament is a result of negating MULLAH's importance.
aristotle
Member
Oh ch ch ch
JI ki yehi adaat tu ley doobi is jamaat ko, yani har Hadees/ayat aur iqbal k verses ko apnay mafad k ley toor maroor kar pesh karna.... Ji kab tak is k saharey jey ge?
zara iqbal ka kalam apni nazar se parley qazi hussain ya munawar haasan ki zaban se sun kar kab jeetey raho gay fools' paradise me?
iqbal was the biggest anti mullah and ur leaders r very much in this group
what they did for this country or ummah? can u tell me?
but u wont tell me becoz u still didnt reply my simple question that which son of qazi and company has been Shaheed in any jehad?
plz let me answer this question first then expalin iqbal' poetry .. Jamati version)( QAZI KI NAZAR SE:)
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
(1) Who asks these questions ?
(2) Has the person who asks the above questions;
(a) is he a Muslim ?
(b) has he done something for people of Pakistan, for the UMMAH ?
RajputPuttar
Member
Whats ummah ? Here we are as pakistanis not anything else.
He might not have done anything for pakistan but his hands are not littered wiith the blood of innoncent masses of pakistan.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@RajputPuttar: Are you a Muslim ?
I asked questions from him. Allow him the FREEDOM to answer those questions himself.
Pakistanis' ? Let me show you what mufakkir-e-Pakistan said about nationalism;
In taaza khudao'n main barha sab se watan hai
jo pairahan is kaa hai wo mazhab ka kafan hai
aqwaam!! main makhlooq-e-khuda bat'ti hai is se
qaumee-yat-e-Islam ki jarh kat'ti hai is se
baazoo tera tauheed!! ki qoowat se qawi hai
Islam tera!! dais! hai, tu!! mustafa'vi!! hai
nazzaara-e-dereena zamaane ko dikha de
ay mustafa'vi khaak main is but ko mila de
RajputPuttar
Member
hariskhan
I m under no obligation to answer such a personal question.
I consider u same what u consider. If u consider me muslim , than i consider u a muslim and vice versa.
And if i m not a muslim , does it make an inferior human being or inferior pakistani .
LAANAT hoo aaisi sooch rakheny waloon par.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@RajputPuttar: Since when did it become a curse or something like that to ask someone if they are a Muslim ?
Answer the question, please.
P.S. You rarely answer my questions. You runaway from questions, just like PPP, MQM, ANP representatives.
Salam
member
army calling JI their enemy because they are not supporting american war of terror
a nice column by ansar abbasi
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/mar2010-daily/15-03-2010/editorial/col14.gif
aristotle
Member
Answer the question, please.
P.S. You rarely answer my questions. You runaway from questions, just like PPP, MQM, ANP representatives.
Haris bhai
u never reply my simple question abt qazi hussain and munawar hassan' s son who paricipated in any jehad :)
Allamdulliha i m muslim but not Mansoora Branded Muslim
i dont want to Musharaff Ba Mansoora islam:)
we r not suppose to prove ourselves as muslim before u
typical and pure Jamatee mentality shows
jab kisi sawal ka jawab na ban parey tu kufr ka fatwa laga do... indian agent keh do
bhai pehle khud tu muslim ban jao phir dosro k barey me investigate karna
btw, is ummah k ley aap ki kia khidmaat hen?????????????
Go America Go
but dont disturb Qazi Hussain' son family who is settled in USA...:)
RajputPuttar
Member
Salam
ARMY is calling JI terror now , i m giving refereences since 1970.
Genetleman , u r a very reasonable person , why u r associating this converstation with ARMY ?
RajputPuttar
Member
Mr.hariskhan
U r not entitled to ask me any personal questions.
aristotle
Member
Bhai Rajputt
Haris mian zati sawal na karey tu kia karey?
logic aur reason naam ki koi cheez in ki tarbeeat me shamil nahi
zateyat par hamley karna aur kufr k fatway sadir karna in mehboob mashgala hay
inho tu Pakistan Movement ki azeem hasteeo ko na chora tu hum aur aap kia cheez hen?
anyways, in ki ye doamali/ munafiqat rang la rahi hey... see bye election results:)
RajputPuttar
Member
Mr.Harris,
U have already given me a certificate for being hindu/hindu agent , so why u r now asking me of my religion?
Why u r so much interested in my personality ?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@aristotle: I don't answer your questions, because I'v already answered those same questions on this forum, over and over again.
What is the point in me repeating my words after they'v already been repeated over and over again ?
Secondly, what is the point in me repeating my statements, when you;
(a) don't listen to reason ?
(b) negate reality ?
(c) want to live a life of illusion ?
(d) only care for bashing others ?
(e) only care for ego bashing/satisfaction ?
It shows me your motive is not betterment. Your motive is;
(a) inciting word brawls
(b) prolonging worthless brawls based arguments
that is worthless in your own eyes as well.
Perhaps you want to engage in ego bashing/satisfaction.
I want no part of it. I have no time for this kind of activity.
RajputPuttar
Member
Mr.hariskhan
When u have already decided that "What u say is reality" then whats the point of being here at all ?
AAP paar tu "WAAHI" nazal hotti haai jiss par koi muslman aaiyman nahi laa sakttaa.
aristotle
Member
ha ha ha
Bhai Muslim hone ka dawa bhi aur jhoot bhi?
zara meharbani kar k usthread ka link bata dey jis par aap ne Qazi hussain ya Munawar hassan k betey ka naaam bataya ho jis ne kisi jehad me hissa lia....
Qazi k son ki family USA me settled hay (go america go) is baat ki tardeed bhi aap se nahi hoparahi..
realy u r in trouble
Salam
member
RP
i think that army is run by just one man with few of his trusted and close friends, every coas after promotion puts his friends on isi/dgmo/mi/pindi core/111 brigade...
he personally reviews promotions of senior officers according to the prevailing world order
those who don't agree or feel right don't get beyond major level...
what i am trying to say is that it is not right to curse the whole organization because i know a little from my serving relatives how it is like to work in that organization
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@aristotle: I need to checkup on this.
Having said that, hundreds of thousands of people of Pakistan go to USA, live in USA, have their families present in USA.
How is that relevant in anyway what-so-ever ?
What matters is the contribution they make towards betterment of the people of this nation.
Secondly, I want to know what you want to achieve by highlighting this point ?
(a) What do you intend to achieve from making this argument ?
(b) Does raising this point, help in improving lives of people of Pakistan ?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Salam: If this organization can't do its job, then it should come out with it. So we/Muslims can devise alternate solutions.
It has allowed non-Muslims to flourish, by which I mean criminal non-Muslims. It has allowed for murder, mass murder of Muslims. It has allowed for decades! of corruption to still! go on.
It is simply unacceptable.
It is useless to continue with a bunch of cowards, bunch of criminals, who's sole purpose is to preserve;
(a) their own hegemony over money, land, power of this nation
(b) British traditions, British laws
Salam
member
haris khan sb,
dear, i didn't say they can't do their job
i am saying that it is one man who is taking all the decisions, making policies, promoting officers, appointing at key positions and those who differ rarely go beyond major rank which is like 70% of the army officers-
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Salam: This should further strengthen my point that Army's internal accountability system died as soon as it was created.
Which means, Pakistani people can't depend on it, for results.
RajputPuttar
Member
This is very logical by 'Jamaatis' that the misdeeds of '--PAK ARMY' were acceptable as long as 'Jamaaties' were getting the 'haadi'
Since, these days 'haddi' nahi mil rahi tu shoor macha rahey haain.
Aaj , Kiyani PPPP or PML_N ko nikal kaar jaamat ko 2 ministeries kii haadi daaal daay , (jaaisay zia au mush aur yahya naaey kiya) , sub set ho jaaey gaa.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@RajputPuttar: This 'haddi' part is unproven, unsubstantiated claim based on 'doubts', 'possibilities', at best.
If that were so, there'd be cases against JI in the court of law.
skunk
Member
with jamati judges yeah rite, my a** there will be cases against JI
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@skunk: O paee, aap kisi haal main kabhi khush honge ?
Aaj bata do, aap kis haal main khush ho ge ?
Jab;
(a) law of the land ke mutabiq baat hone lage
(b) aap ki marzi ke khilaf baat hone lage
to shor machane shuru ho jate ho ? Kis tarhan ke insan ho ?
Insan aur janwar main farq pata hai aap ko ?
skunk
Member
Hum uss waqt khush hogay jab yeh un lutairo per haath daalein jinhonne Zardari ya Nawaz ki mubayana corruption se dus gunna ziyada corruption ki hai. Musharaf chala gaya tab bhi aaj tak Akbar Bugti case mein bhi saalay ko adaalat bulaanay ki himmat nahi parti inki, missing persons ke naam per siyasat ki aur aaj agencies ke khilaf adalat mein bolnay per pabandi lagadi hai, army ke tattoo in jamaati judges se mujhe koi umeed nahi.
Civil sadar ke liye tou koi immunity nahi per retired fauji sadar ke saamne tou inki patloon geeli hojati hai, in se kya umeed.
Insan aur jaanwar mein farq tou aap ki badaulat iss forum per sab ko pata chal gaya hai. Kyunki dalaail ke ilawa her baat kerte hain aap, fikray baazi, logo ke kirdaar ke baaray mein faisla kerna ya phir jaanwar kehna.
Raha sawaal law of the land ka tou law of the land agar Mush keliye ye tha ke usko immunity haasil hai tou Zardari ke liye tarmeem ke baghair kaisay badal gaya? Dastoor ki baladasti per yaqeen rakhtay hain hum aur in judges ne aik baar dastoor tora hai aur dobara bhi tor saktay hain, iss mein koi shakh nahi. Roz roz ke biyanat se apni izzat kaafi tou gira he li hai, jald khatam kerdege ye judges.
Bhai, judges ko kosney ki bajaey Musharraf ko wapis laney key liey lobby kiya jaey aik nai thread open kerney key baad. Jub bahot sey member aik awaz ho ker comment kerain gey to hamari awaz suni jaey gi.
RajputPuttar
Member
Mr.Harris,
I have given factual historical references to prove 'Haddi'. If u can deny then deny
a) JI Supported Yahya and got NA assembly seats after AL elected reprsentatives were disqualified
b) JI was part of Zia cabinet and they joined zia cabinet after he had already postponed the elections (Don't come up with press confreence crap)
c) JI supported mush and in return got seats from NWFP .
Which of this u can deny ????
aristotle
Member
Bhai
haris
me ty sirf Jamati leaders ki doamali/munafiqat aur double standard ko highlight karna chahta hoon
jis ka aap k pass koi jawab nahi:)
aristotle
Member
Bhai Administrator
jahan jahan Hariskhan Bhai ka naam likha jara hay wahan ***** keo nazar arahey hen?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@RajputPuttar: I see. So;
(1) you want to present some facts, as per your information
(2) Your going to tell me to avoid presenting facts
..and, you want me to accept that ?
(sarcasm) AALA! (/sarcasm)
By the way, why are you afraid of the fact that JI conducted a press conference before going into Zia's cabinet ?
Will you elaborate, please ?
RajputPuttar
Member
JI joined the zia cabinet after he had already postponed elections. Thats a fact. I gave u exact dates as well.
Whether they did press confrerence or not , i m least bothered?
Btw, u never gave a refreence for that 'kahawabi press confreence '
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I believe, if you want to find out the date, you can also conduct your own independent research.
I believe it is best if I stop right here. There's nothing that will satisfy you. I'v clearly found out that you dispute everyone's authority, everyone's credibility.
There's no point in continuing discussion with a person who denies facts.
RajputPuttar
Member
hariskhan
I m not asking u for the date of joining .
I gave u the exact date when JI joined Gen Zia cabinet quoting Gen.KM Arif's book.
JI joined zia cabinet on 23 Aug 1978.
Obivioulsy , u need a way out to ran away since u have no answer.
RajputPuttar
Member
Now, having giving exact date of JI joiing Zia cabinet,
Can anybody tell me that is their any weightage in saying that JI joined Zia to get elections done when he (zia) had already his promise to hold elections in 90 days ?
aristotle
Member
Bhai Haris bhag ley hasb-e-mamool
Fact ka samna nahi kar patey:)
RajputPuttar
Member
jhoot kaay paaon nahi hotey bahiiyaa.
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