Discuss » Current Issues

HIstory of JI-ARMY collabration against Pakistani Masses

(216 posts)
12345

  1. aristotle
    Member

    achay admi hen tu phir jamaat me kia kar rahe hen?:)

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 6:28 #

  2. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Harris mian

    u said

    "some journalist say"

    tu bahiya , journalist tu jammat Kay Barry mein bhi bohut kutch kehtey haain.

    Bahi koi rule baneye . Kiss ko accept karien Gary

    A) courts
    b) journalist
    c) awaam

    yaa

    Jo aap ka dil chaeey gaa.

    Hazrat,

    baat ,osool say hoti haii , pasand yaa na passand say nahi

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 6:34 #

  3. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @RajputPuttar: You dispute everything, don't you ? So, why bother arguing with me ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 6:36 #

  4. theimrannasir
    Member

    If we study the whole history of Pakistan's politics, Jammat's collaboration with establishment can't be ruled out.Jammat is looked like a very important pawn of establishment.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 6:46 #

  5. choosy
    Member

    @Aristotle ,
    har acahy aadmi mein koi na koi kami tu hoti hay .
    buss apnay Haris bhai mein bhi hay kay wohh waisay tu buhat achay achay hain magar Jamati hain afssos.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 6:59 #

  6. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Harris

    abb , aap boltey hi jhoot hoo tu meets kiya qasoor haai.

    Bhayyia

    aap ki har baat mein jhoot air tazaad haai.

    Jab. Aap court kii baat kartey haain, mein uss ko piyamana mann leeta hoon aur app wahan say dum daba kar bhaag jatey hoo.

    Aap nay journalist kii baat kii, mein nay uss ko piymanaa maaan kiya. Uss mein bhi app Bhag rahey hoo.

    Aap mehroom maghfoor mma kii baat kartey hoo, Uss ki haqiqat bhi khool Dee.

    Bahiya

    Meera sawal tu bara simple saa thaa kaay aap ka piymanaa kiyaa haai aur app jhegrey kii baat kartey hoo.

    Allah talah maghafrat farmaey moodoodi sb kii beecharey qabar mein tarap rahey hoon gaaey kaay jiss saleh Jamatt kaa khuwab deikhaa thaa, Uss ka yeh hall haai.

    Innah lilaah hi wah inna elAhi hi rajoon

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 7:14 #

  7. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @RajputPuttar: There are no lies here.

    Everyone has his/her own grave. Don't worry about anyone else's. Worry about your own.

    I haven't run away anywhere. I'm here. Its better for me to remain quiet, than to engage those who dispute established facts.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 7:45 #

  8. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Isn't establhished fact that

    a) Yahya gave JI seats after disqualifying AL elected reps.

    b) JI was part of Gen Zia cabinet

    c) JI gave mush legitimicy

    Which of these three is not a history fact and how u dispute these?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 9:26 #

  9. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Harris

    Aap saay ossol poocho tu aap kehtey hoo kaaey i dispute establihsed facts ?

    Bahi , fact kahan establhist hotaa haai ?

    a) Court
    b) Newspaper
    c) General Perception

    Aakhir ,kiyaa oossol haai ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 9:27 #

  10. skunk
    Member

    @haris:

    ZPresident Zardari only been convicted two times in his entire life,

    first he was convicted in Cotechna case whereby after the release of tapped phone conversations between the judge and Saif ur Rehman forced Supreme Court to order retrial and another case in which he was acquitted by Supreme Court upon appeal.

    No Islamabad Court has ever convicted him, especially not few weeks back as this would be violation of the Constitution.

    The rest you said was bla bla bla bla and bla, statement not backed by proof that would be acceptable in a Court of law.

    Secondly, JI is a terrorist organisation, people of Pakistan know it, isilye baar baar inko jootay mar rahay hain per kkutay ki dum terhi ki terhi rehtee hai.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 11:37 #

  11. RajputPuttar
    Member

    skunk

    Interesting thing is , harris bahi quote NRO verdict and so-called Islamabad court verdict against zardari but when i asked them to go to court for Affia , he doesn't trust the courts .

    Kaissi rahi bahiya

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 12:10 #

  12. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @skunk: Ok, so you think you'r going to be that naive in-front of me and I'll buy it ?

    No one has blanket immunity. Mr. Zardari has to go to the Court of LAW and declare that he is a sitting President for him to have constitutional protection. The court of law has already made this very clear.

    I said, in 2 out of 3 cases, in which Mr. Zardari was also envolved, ALL were convicted of the crime. That means, Mr. Zardari is safe because he's sitting in the President of Pakistan's chair. As soon as he gets out of that chair, that conviction will be implementable on him.

    Also, I raised the question, why Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. not resumed ALL! cases in Swiss courts as per ruling of Supreme Court of Pakistan in NRO case ?

    Why are you running away from answering this question ?

    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    (1) JI is not a terrorist organization
    (2) No court of LAW of Pakistan ever declared JI as such
    (3) Most of that which people of Pakistan know about JI is propaganda

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 12:20 #

  13. RajputPuttar
    Member

    hariskhan

    For the benefit of members , would u like to give details of case which has recently been deicded in islamabad court.

    Aap kii baat parh kaa haansi bhi aati haai aaur aap kii aqal par roona bhi.

    NOw from following point , the principle can be deduced
    "
    (2) No court of LAW of Pakistan ever declared JI as such

    "

    An organization is not terrorist until declared as such by a court of law in pakistan.

    Right ?

    Do u accept this as rule ? as stated by u .

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 12:35 #

  14. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Yes. The court of law decides who is a terrorist and who is not.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 12:42 #

  15. RajputPuttar
    Member

    ook.

    So , mqm is not a terrorist organization and all the crap u say about mqm is ntohing but **** . Right ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 12:47 #

  16. achtung
    Member

    haris behai ko trap na karo. bohat udas hei.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 12:51 #

  17. RajputPuttar
    Member

    achtung

    bahi , woh jamaatiyaa haai , uss ko trap karney kii kiya zaroorat haai mujhey :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 12:54 #

  18. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @RajputPuttar: If MQM is innocent, why does it storm Sindh Courts to stop proceedings of the court of law ?

    I can't understand this logic.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 12:59 #

  19. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Harris bahi,

    Is their a court decision against mqm or not ?

    Where is the decision/verdict that MQM stormed teh court ?

    I remember of one storming in 1997 when certain PML legislators were convicted .

    In 2008-09 , certain members of the public gathered in SHC to record their complaints as well as hearing of May 12,2007 was going on.

    Was MQM convicted in that ?

    This is your statement.

    "Yes. The court of law decides who is a terrorist and who is not."

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 13:05 #

  20. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @RajputPuttar: I have already accepted this. I don't need to repeat my words.

    Ok, so you mean thousands of people stormed Sindh Court to get their complaints recorded, that is why Sindh Court's proceedings got stopped ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 13:11 #

  21. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Harris Bahi,

    What u have accepted ?

    That all your allegations against mqm are worthless ? Right ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 13:28 #

  22. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @RajputPuttar: Don't ignore my question. Answer it. Or don't expect answers to yours.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 13:31 #

  23. RajputPuttar
    Member

    hariskhan

    Yes, this is what i read that people wanted to record their version of events as court has called for all to file their complaint/version of may 12 ,2007 events.

    Now , u tell what u have accepted ?

    Is it

    "That all your allegations against mqm are worthless ? Right ? "

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 13:35 #

  24. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @RajputPuttar: No. I accepted that I made the statement I made above.

    Dude, you think you can call JI terrorist and I can't call MQM terrorist ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 13:36 #

  25. RajputPuttar
    Member

    bahyiyaa which statement ??

    u yourself accepted the rule

    "The court of law decides who is a terrorist and who is not"

    Now , either stop calling mqm a terrorist organization and apologize for your missteatements

    or

    tell which court of LAW of Pakistan ever declared MQM terrorist.

    BAhii, yeh munfafqaat chooro. Mqm kaay liye aaik ossol aur JI kaa liye doosra. Sharam karroo .

    Naam lina islam kaa aur CMM Level 5 (Certificate in munafaqat from Mansoora)

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 13:40 #

  26. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @RajputPuttar: You have just lied here. MQM's supporters stormed Sindh Court, so they could stop proceedings of cases against MQM or its members in the court of LAW.

    You think the innocent citizens of Pakistan who were mercilessly murdered on 12th May, they shouldn't get justice ? They shouldn't have gotten justice by now ?

    You think you will put up blatant lies and I will accept them ?

    Let's see it this way. Do you accept the rule you are asking me to accept ?

    What rule do you accept ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 13:52 #

  27. skunk
    Member

    Oyeah Haris, I forgot that the immunity is for only Presidents in uniform jin ke isteefay ke baad bhi in judges ki himmat nahi parti un ke khilaaf action lene ko.

    In jamaati judges se na humein insaaf ki umeed hai na in per aitbaar jo hum ya humaray leader in ke aagay pesh ho. Insaaf ka lecture unko deejiye jo raat ke andheron mein bhaag gaye ya phir woh jinho ne 2001 mein Pakistan ki war on terror mein shamuliyat ke baawajood Pakhtunkhwa aur Balochistan mein wazarat-e-aala aur wafaq mein opposition leader ke ohday liye.

    Also, which are these court cases that you are misleading people with? In every court case there are accused and co-accused, agar kisi case mein Zardari per kabhie fard-e-jurm aayd nahi hui tou woh mujrim nahi hosakta.

    PPP ho ya MQM, unko bura bhala aap kehna shuru kerte hain, tou pehle khud soch lein ke terrorist ya chor ka taayun Court or Constitution karay ga ya Jang akhbar aur Jamaat e Islami? PPP/MQM ke liye akhbari surkhiyan aur aap ko gunhagar saabit kerne kliye aasmani saheefay?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 16:29 #

  28. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @skunk: The common man of Pakistan is saying that MQM is terrorist organization. Why are you blaming me alone ?

    O wow!. So now the judges that the people restored through struggle on the streets are not acceptable to you ? Now they are Jamati judges ? waaaaaaah!

    Perhaps you haven't watched talk shows in which Mr. Aitzaz himself conceded, the people envolved in those cases, their status is of 'criminal'.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 16:33 #

  29. skunk
    Member

    do you really expect me to answer this crap?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 16:34 #

  30. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @skunk: Why do you defend those who storm Courts to stop proceedings against MQM ?

    - Why do you support those who are not implementing the order of Supreme Court of Pakistan, the revival of Swiss cases ?

    - Why have Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. not appointed judges ALL around Pakistan for over 8 months, when the law of the land instructs them to do it within 30 days ?

    WHY ?!?!?!?!!!!

    I don't defend crimes of JI or its sub-wings. I openly accept their crimes. I openly say, that they be prosecuted in the court of law of this nation. Why don't you do the same ?

    What I don't accept is propaganda, lies. I will openly accept judgments of the court of law, that come out according to standards of justice set by Islam.

    You need to accept criminals as criminals. You must! submit to the law of the land, which is Islam, the standards set by;

    (1) ALLAH ALMIGHTY
    (2) HIS last Messenger Muhammad (SAW)
    (3) Companions (RA, RAA) of Muhammad (SAW)

    If you don't, well .. then, come out in the open with it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 16:36 #

  31. skunk
    Member

    Quoting Abu Jahl ki aulaad, Maaloon Moududi in his verdicts, not taking a single action against any officer of this nations most corrupt institution, not calling any office bearer to account for the eight year martial law, these are indeed jamati judges. Eight years! mullah-military alliance ruled this nation but CJ is yet to open a case involving anything pertaining to that era, it is not I who is defending corruption but the CJ himself.

    He has till now only and only taken up matters concerning the PPP governments actions in past eras or this, N-League gets some bashing for this tenure but never past, so on what grounds is it always a PPP related case that SC decides to take up?

    Aur awaam ki muntakhib numayandoun ko tou aap bardaasht nahi kerte, tou yeh unke muntakhib judges ko kyun wali-Allah samajhte hain aap?

    I support PPP which has always obeyed Courts, the SC courts malafide verdict on NRO had alot of legal issues which the government has asked SC to clarify. Swiss case ki mubayanna corruption nazar aati hai, per in corrupt judges ki zer-e-sarparasti stock echange ghaplay, kesc, UBL, Bolan Bank, mills, factories, PTCL ki nijkaari ki corruption ka izaala kaun karay gay. Sab kuch bech ker, aik steel mill ko bachaya inhon ne aur ungli kata ker shaheedo mein naam likhaana chahtay hain

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 16:50 #

  32. skunk
    Member

    Yeh Jamati judges aur jaamati judges na lapayein iskiliye her mumkin koshish kerni chahiye

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 16:51 #

  33. skunk
    Member

    and who decides who is following Islam or not?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 16:52 #

  34. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    It is the duty of Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. to bring cases against ALL! injustice that went on in Pakistan, no matter when it happened, no matter how old it is.

    Why have they not done it so far ?

    They have had more than 2 years in public office, haven't they ?

    What is stopping them from doing it ?

    What is stopping Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. from imparting justice to the people of their nation ?

    Why is the PPP Govt. busy making plans to de-claw Article 6 of constitution of Pakistan ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 16:58 #

  35. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    The question about who decides who is following Islam is moot. Any common man of Pakistan can file cases against any other person who he deems to be disobeying Islam.

    The court of law decides this dispute according to LAW of the land i.e., Islam.

    It will be decided exactly as it was decided on, in the era of;

    (1) Muhammad (SAW)
    (2) Companions of Muhammad (SAW)

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 16:59 #

  36. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. could have brought cases in the court of law against ALL those you talk about, and! more!.

    It would have exposed the court of law, if they were biased or if they were taking sides.

    Why is Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. not bringing cases in the court of law against ALL those you talk about, and! more! ?

    Why ?!?!?!!!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 17:13 #

  37. achtung
    Member

    you say
    the court of law decides this dispute according to LAW of the land i.e., Islam.

    you admitting that law of the land is islamic. but your other post you say law of the land is unislamic. this mean the law if suit jamaat islami is islamic and if not suit is unislamic? yeh to khula tazad hey. that is reason people reject jamaat islami. see butt sahib get only 2.5% vote in lahore like zakat of voters.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 18:05 #

  38. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @achtung: Before I speak, let's hear what Islamic laws will satisfy you ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 18:07 #

  39. achtung
    Member

    tell briefly
    what is islamic laws.
    are these available in written form any where.
    no gol mol reply.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 18:28 #

  40. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @achtung: You know my reply. So, what's left to tell ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 18:32 #

  41. skunk
    Member

    O bhai, Zardari tou hai he ghalat aap logon ke mutabiq, mera sawaal yeh hai keagar ye Jamati Judge zara bhi aadil hai tou sirf aik chor ke peechhe kis buniyad per para hai? Musharraf ke aath aur Nawaz ke paanch saal kahan gaye? Aap kehte ho ke yeh adliya azad hai, hum agar iss ko azad maantay tou zaroor cases daakhil kertay par aap se yeh sawaal hai ke agar waqai yeh azaad hai tou iss quom ke saath jinhon ne pichle dus saal ziyadti ki un ka ehtasaab kyun nahi kertay?

    Yeh judge establishment ke tattoo hain, aur uss ke khilaaf na ab tak koi case uthaya hai na uthaye ge. Iss qanoon ke lambay hath sirf civilian sadar tak he pohanchtay hain, yeh kisi sipahi kiya, kisi gernail ke batman ka ehtasaab kerne ka tappar nahi rakhtay.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 19:00 #

  42. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @skunk: The term or label 'Jamati judge' is your concoction.

    Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. has power to bring cases against ALL! criminals, traitors, looters/plunderers of state wealth, mass murders, murderers. Why doesn't Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. do it ?!?!?!!!!!

    After-all they do! hold responsibility for catching criminals, imparting justice to the people of this nation, to this nation.

    Why are you blaming others for a responsibility that Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. holds right now ? They have the power and! the responsibility to get it done. Why aren't they doing it ??!?!!!!

    Why are you consistently ignoring this question ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 20:21 #

  43. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Harris CNN level 5

    u yourself said that principle is

    "court of law decided whether an organization is terrorist or not"

    Ji ki barri yeh oosol doosron Kay lite naya oosol.

    Laanat hoo Aisi bay oosoli par aur un par Jo iss Kay bawajood 'saleh'' honey kaa dawa kartey hain and expect others follow them.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Mar 2010 23:09 #

  44. aristotle
    Member

    aray bhairajput

    keo hahris bhai ko tang kartey ho?
    aajkal sadmay me hen,un ka dard mehsoos karo

    ppp aur q league ki rafaqat bhi kaam na asaki ):

    aur behas ka koi faida nahi
    haris bhai mere eik seedhay saadey sawal ka jawab tu de nahi paye aur naraz hokar chaley gay

    halan k me tu ne sirf un se ye sawal pocha tha k qazi hussain ahmed ya munawwar hassan k kisi aise betey ka naam bata den jo jehad par gaya ho ya shaheed hoa ho

    bus is sawal par bigar gay bhai haris
    wo bhi kia karey? in k leaders ki munafiqat, double standard aur do amali ne is sawal ka koi jawab dene k qabil nahi chora:)

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Mar 2010 7:01 #

  45. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @RajputPuttar: Why don't you stop BS'ing and answer my questions ?

    Otherwise, don't bother.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Mar 2010 7:05 #

  46. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Harris Cmm level 5

    a person who has double standards and doesn't keep his own stated principle doesn't have any credibility

    in punjabi , such a person is compared with a. 'baairr'. Why ? I can't tell on a public forum as it would be censored anyways.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Mar 2010 7:24 #

  47. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @RajputPuttar: I remain steadfast on my words. You don't have the credibility to question mine.

    When I ask you questions, you conveniently ignore them. Either answer my questions or don't bother posting worthless statements.

    P.S. Yesterday, I found out you'r objectives, as per your own statement(s). I don't think I need to prove anything to an Indian/Hindu agent.

    I will ignore you from now on.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Mar 2010 7:29 #

  48. RajputPuttar
    Member

    Hazrat Moulana Harris ,

    Thanks for issuing fatwa which expels me from 'daira islam'.

    Aap kaay islam say mein bahar hii behtar hoon.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Mar 2010 8:20 #

  49. LalBichoo
    Blocked

    ""Aap kaay islam say mein bahar hii behtar hoon.""

    lolzzzz

    Very true indeed !

    Lakum Deen akam, walay ya deen !

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Mar 2010 8:24 #

  50. choosy
    Member

    haris ,
    fatway na dein;logical baat karein.
    @Lal Bichoo,
    Quranic versus are meant to be respected .

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Mar 2010 8:53 #

RSS feed for this topic

12345

Reply »

You must log in to post.