RajputPuttar
Member
HarrisKhan
U lied in that as well.
JI joined Zia regime after he had already postponed the elections. I have got Gen.KM Arif's book with me right now and i can give u exact dates as well.
JI joined zia's cabinet on 23 Aug 1978 . Prof.Ghafoor became Federal Minsiter for production and M Azam FArooqi became minister for INformation.
Zia promised elections in 90 days and his 90 days had elabpsed on 04 Oct 1977 and JI joined on 23 Aug 1978.
So , aaap kaaa eik aau jhoot benaqab howa :)
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I am not going to repeat my words. I have already done that over and over again.
I believe, the best way to resolving this Zia stuff once and for all, is through the court of law, on which the common man has confidence.
Unless that happens, its worthless to argue with people, who's sole purpose is to spread lies, deceit, confusion among our ranks.
This worthless bickering has got to come to an end, right! now!.
No! more.
RajputPuttar
Member
hARRIS,
u can't hide JI's bad amaliiyan and beghariatan behind the so-called curtain of justice.
First , u came up with a press conference story and now i have given dates to expose your lie , u r speaking of 'justice' . Wallahh
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
JI went to the court to get verdict on NRO. I believe, those who allege JI of this should also go to the court of law.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
They people who spend their time in condemning JI on this forum, I don't see them pushing for implementation of NRO verdict of Supreme Court of Pakistan.
I don't even find them making that an issue of discussion on this forum.
Isn't that hypocrisy ?
@RajputPuttar: Give me info on this book ?
I want to investigate, to confirm, what the book says for myself.
RajputPuttar
Member
hariskhan
aAp kaab say itney barey ho gaeey kaay aap kaa zikar khair ho book mein ?
This is Gen.KM Arif's book "Zia ul Haq kaay Hamrah" which i have used to quote dates to expose your lies.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
There are no lies from me. The only liar here is you.
You are playing blame game. You are more interested in engaging in leg pulling, mud-slinging against JI, rather than going to the court of law to resolve this grievance.
If you weren't a liar, you wouldn't have any problems going to the court. Why aren't you ? It tells me, you have no grievance. ALL you have is lies that you use to engage in leg pulling, mud-slinging.
(1) What is full name of Gen. KM ?
(2) Is this book available online ?
LalBichoo
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hariskhan,
"""You are playing blame game. Rather than going to the court of law to get this dispute resolved once and for all, you engage in mud-slinging against JI. If you weren't a liar, you would have had no problem in going to the court with your complaint. It looks like you have no complaint. ALL you have is lies that you use to engage in leg pulling, mud-slinging."""
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LOLzzz
Well if someone logically exposes hypocrite JI, you ask him to go to the court of law, whereas you are alwasy seen on this forum supporting Taliban Terrorists and JI in an emotional and irrational manner. You also do mud-slinging against PPP, N-League, ANP and MQM, why don't you go to the courts if you are TRUE :))
Dude, practise what you preach, otherwise GTFOH !
@Haris bhai ,
aap se pochna tha kay Jamat e Islami ne army ko aur army ne jamat ko hamesha support kion kiya ?
MMA ko Military Mullah Allaiance kaha gaya .
kion ?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
(1) When someone has cases filed against them in court of law, they are known by the law of the land, as 'criminal'.
(2) When the court of law already has;
(a) irrefutable evidence against Mr. Zardari
which is not going anywhere, which cannot be destroyed. It can always be reproduced. Why defend Mr. Zardari ? He is a known criminal, implicated in cases even as severe as murder.
(b) conviction of ALL criminals in cases in Islamabad Court recently, in which Mr. Zardari was also envolved
That means, Mr. Zardari is a known criminal.
I don't call that mud-slinging, because there's;
(a) cases, grievances in the court of law
(b) irrefutable evidence against Mr. Zardari, which can be reproduced at any given time
There's no escape for Mr. Zardari.
How can I be blamed for mud-slinging against PPP ? They have cases, plus irrefutable evidence against them present in the court of law. When convictions are being handed over in cases by the court of law, how can my words be called mud-slinging ?
(3) Historically, PPP has inducted convicted criminals, saboteurs of Pakistani interests into its party. That is why I call PPP a group of traitors. I'm justified to say so
(4) Who doesn't know what MQM is envolved in ?
(a) Why did MQM need to storm Sindh Court to stop proceedings of cases in the court of law ? What was MQM afraid of ?
JI has never done anything like this. Why did MQM ?
I have perfect reasons to call PPP, MQM what they are, a band of criminals. They have thousands! of cases filed against them in the court of law.
JI has none.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@choosy: Army has never supported JI.
tou phir LFO aur MMA kiya tha ?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I need to read LFO document before I can answer this.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
(5) PML-N has also historically stormed and violated the court of law
Why ?
(6) Pashtoon already know ANP as their traitors, after these military operations
ANP has historically welcomed all enemies of Pakistani people, Afghani people, Pashtoons in general, etc etc.
(a) They welcomed Russia to Afghanistan
(b) They welcomed USA in Afghanistan
(c) They agreed with military operations against people of FATA, NWFP
(d) They have given nothing!, absolutely nothing! to people of FATA, NWFP in these last two years, that they have been in power
(e) Can anyone show me what ANP has done for the people of FATA, NWFP in these last 2 years ?
ALL we hear from ANP is words. No output. There is ZERO! output from ANP for the people they govern over.
UN recently asked for $537 million for IDPs in FATA, NWFP. Do we see ANP doing anything in this regard ? This is around Rs. 45.465 that needs to be collected for IDPs.
What is ANP Govt. doing in this regard ? Do we find ANP making effort for IDPs ?
The last I recall hearing about ANP and IDPs, ministers from ANP were taking away ALL the best items of that which was sent for the benefit of IDPs.
People with such vulture attitude should be HANGED!! in OPEN PUBLIC, because they capitalize, they improve their personal lives on the misery of millions! of others.
ANP's ministers came to IDP camps only for photo shoots. After that, they were never seen among IDPs again.
JI's leaders spent 3 full days in IDP camps with IDPs.
aristotle
Member
Aray Bhai Haris
kab tak safayan detey raho gay?
maan lo k galati hotee dictator ko support kar k
Galti maan lena bhi bareypan ki baat ahy jis ki Jamateo se tawaqa nahi ki jasakti
dosro par ungli uthane se pehle apne garebaan me jhank lena chachye
u r still in denial state
nobody can help u
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@aristotle: Ghalat baat baar baar repeat karne se sahi main tabdeel nahi ho jati.
I have no reason to believe Army or JI supported each other.
JI ne koee jurm nahi kiye. Agar kiye hote, to us ke khilaf court of law main cases maujood hote.
Aaj JI ke ilava baqi sab major political parties ke khilaf courts main cases hain.
Is se kia pata chalta hai ?
aristotle
Member
Bhai
ye he tu hum bhi keh rahe hen k galta baat bar bar karne se sahi nahi hojatee :)
Baat dictator ko suppport karne ki horahe hay
aur aap puhanch gay court aur cases par
Choor ki darhi me tinka
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@aristotle: You have a grievance with JI, a political party. Either talk to JI about it. Or the proper forum to settle disputes, grievances is the court of law.
Don't! endlessly whine about it.
I don't believe in your words, your grievance, in this instance.
Neither dictators supported JI, nor did JI support dictators. I stand firm on this.
This is propaganda. You'r becoming part of spreading propaganda. Why ? Because you haven't confirmed what you'v come to know. You just got to know something and without confirming what you heard, your spreading it, like every other propaganda spreading loudspeaker.
aristotle
Member
wasey bhi mero nazar me financial corrution se bara jurm wo log kartey hen jo is mulk ki ideology aur society ko damage kartey hen aur logo ko Quran o Hadees ki galat salat (apney mufaad k mutabiq) tashreeh kartey hen...
Kia JI ne Qayam-e-Pakistan ki mukhalfat nahi ki thee? kia wo Quaid-e Azam ko Kafir-e- Azam nahi kehte they?
ab ye na khena k eik baat bar bar na dhurao
sahi jawab de do hum choop hojayee gay:)
@Haris,
LFO parh lo tou bata dena plz .
@Aristotle ,
bhai Qazi ghazab ki cheez hay ;unho ne NPT aur CTBT pe Pakistan ko dastakaht karany se rokk diya tha .
abhi abhi Haris bhai ne bataya hay aik aur thread mein mujhay ...
aristotle
Member
Bhai Haris
i don't believe in your words
I stand firm on my point of view
Thanks
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@aristotle: I have already addressed these questions, in some detail.
Why do you want me to repeat my words ?
aristotle
Member
becoz i want to know that how many times u can speak lie:)
Haris aur Aristotle bhaion,
laro nahin ,logic se baat karo warna so jao ja kay.
aristotle
Member
choosy
shoor na machao
dekhte nahi haris bhai gussay me hen:)
mein kab shorr macha raha hon.
Haris bhai ka ghussa ap ne barha diya hay ab bhugteye bhi.:):):)
aristotle
Member
Sach karwa hota hay
sunney wale ko gussa aa he jata hey
Bhai Haris ka kia qasoor
aristotle
Member
aray bhai
mujhe tu lagta hay k hamarey sarey he leader indian agents hen:)
sirf masses (awam) true pakistani hen
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@aristotle: Jhoot pasand karne wala, aur baar baar sunNe ki tamanna karne wala, jhoot ka aadi insan mujh se bhi jhoot sunNe ki tamanna kar raha hai. How ironic!. I don't deal in lies.
(1) At that time, Muslim UMMAH/Empire had just been disintegrated into nation states. Muslim of subcontinent were struggling for its re-integration.
Acquiring yet another 'nation state' was not an idea that comes from Islam.
(2) No one from JI called anyone a 'Kafir', from its creation - to-date
RajputPuttar
Member
hariskhan
Yeh tu tumhara haall haai , u dont' know Gen.KM ARIF aurr baatain kartey hoo .
His full name is Khalid Mehmod Arif and i have a hard copy of book. Don't know about the availablity online.
Secondly , u don't need this book to confirm that when JI zia cabinent. There are number of other sources from where these dates can be confirmed to prove u a liar.
RajputPuttar
Member
Harris,
AGain u have lied
"
(1) When someone has cases filed against them in court of law, they are known by the law of the land, as 'criminal'.
"
Such a person is called "accused" until there is a court verdict , calling him a criminal is an offence.
RajputPuttar
Member
Harris bahi kaa eik aur safeed jhoot
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Neither dictators supported JI, nor did JI support dictators. I stand firm on this.
"
Yahya khan gave JI, NA seats unopposed, after disqualifing elected AL members ,
but
" no dictator supported JI and vice versa"
JI was part of Gen.Zia cabinet
but
" no dictator supported JI and vice versa"
Mush made JI/MMA win seats & in return MMA/JI gave him legitimicy
but
"" no dictator supported JI and vice versa"
Bahiyoo, ap batlooao kaay hum batlaain kiyaa ::)
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Putting up lies again and again, won't convert them into truths.
RajputPuttar
Member
Yes, u need to understand and accept that JI is a criminal partner of --PAK ARMY>
RajputPuttar
Member
Harris
Tell me with argument / logic where i have lied ? I have just stated documented facts. IF these are lies in your eyes, give the contractictory proof.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Circumstantial evidence. Not plausible.
ALL your talk is based on 'doubts', 'possibilities'.
RajputPuttar
Member
I have given documented evidences. There is no doubt that
a) Yahya , gave JI seats after disqualifying elected AL repres .
b) JI was part of Zia Cabinent.
c) JI gave Mush legitimicy .
There are well documented facts. How can u deny these ?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
These are not concrete evidence. These are circumstantial evidence. Not plausible.
ALL your talk is based on 'doubts', 'possibilities'.
JI was a very small group in Yahya's era. There would no way JI could make an impact on national politics at the time.
skunk
Member
@ haris: zardari ke liye tou circumstantial evidence bhi nahi, jang ki aik surkhi he kaafi hai aur JI dehshatgardon keliye Ilhaam-e-Khudawandi se kumtar suboot aap ko qubool nahi, aakhir kyun? Fitna-e-Azam, Yazid-e-Waqt Munawar Hasan Taliban Kharijiyon ke khilaf biyan kyun nahi deta? In ke liye shaheedo ka lafz kyun istimaal kerta hai? Yeh dil se dehshat gard hai, Allah puri jamaat ko jahannum raseed karay, jald he iss masjid e zaraar-sani ka quila quma hoga aur jeet haq ki hogi. Ameen.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@skunk: (1) Three cases were prosecuted in Islamabad Court some weeks back. Mr. Zardari was envolved in at least two of them. In those cases, where ALL accused were been convicted for their crimes, Mr. Zardari also got convicted. This news was published in the program Mere Mutabiq.
Mr. Zardari is envolved in serious cases of embezzlement of state money, even in cases as serious as murder.
(2) There is irrefutable evidence for cases filed in local and international courts against Mr. Zardari
This evidence can be reproduced at any given time
(3) Why is Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. not implementing Supreme Court of Pakistan's order against NRO case ?
When it has been established that Mr. Zardari and his band are criminals, where there is irrefutable evidence already present against them in the court of law, why do you defend him or his band of criminals ?
(4) By not implementing the order of the Supreme Court of Pakistan, Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. is committing treason with the people of this nation
By ridiculing the Supreme Court of Pakistan, Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. is committing treason with the people of this nation.
(5) The judges appointment drama alone is enough for Supreme Court of Pakistan to sentence Mr. Zardari along with his band of criminals through invoking Article 6 of the constitution of Pakistan i.e., law of the land
(6) Why do you think Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. didn't appoint law minister for months ?
(7) Why do you think Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. kept 100+ positions for judges vacant ALL over Pakistan for 8 months, when the law of the land instructs Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. to fill those positions within 30 days ?
Even today, more than 60 positions of judges is still vacant ALL over Pakistan. Why is Mr. Zardari / PPP Govt. not filling those positions ?
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In contrast, there isn't even a single case against JI or its people in the court of law today.
After 60+ years of Pakistan's existence, if there are no cases against JI in the court of law, that is enough for me to consider them the best of people in Pakistan.
The day I find people of JI committing crimes, the day I see cases filed against JI in the court of law, with irrefutable evidence, I will denounce those people as criminals, as well.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@skunk: Munawwar Hassan gets info from local people, local representatives in the region. He is well informed on what is the latest, what is happening in that area.
He doesn't need to make the mistake you want him to make.
If you or many others are gravely misinformed by mass media or Govt. or state institutions, etc etc, why should Munawwar Hassan be blamed for it ?
My mis-informed friend, you don't know what is happening in reality. You don't know the truth. The way you are living your life, you will always get to know about the truth 2 decades later, when all will have already been said and done.
There are more pitfalls for you to go through, before you learn to find the truth for yourself.
SufiSoul
Member
skunk
If JI declared taliban as terrorists would you like to join JI than...Lets be clear about this point???
RajputPuttar
Member
Harris
if it's u to decide that evidence against zardari or others is sufficient and irrefutable , than what's the need of court?
Secondly, when it comes to afia case and I asked u to quote a court verdict where it was held that afia was abducted from khi, u refused stating your distrust in judicial system.
This again proves to be illogical person and blind follower of jhoot
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@skunk: (8) Some journalists claim Mr. Zardari has at least $10+ billion of Pakistan's money. That is Rs. 850 billion of Pakistan's money.
Can you tell me how Mr. Zardari earned this much money ?
This also makes the money looted from Pakistan's pocket to be;
Rs. 3.4 trillion (earlier count of looted money) + Rs. 850 billion = Rs. 4.25 trillion.
So to-date, the information available in general public through mass media reporting suggests, Pakistan has at least Rs. 4.25 trillion of its money looted, missing from circulation in its economy and unaccounted.
What do you think would happen to a nation, if this was the case ?
aristotle
Member
haris bhai
sab se pehle tu Salman Butt sahib ki shikast par tazeeat qabool farmaye ... hum aap k dukh me barabar k shareek hen
yaqeenan dhandli hoyee hoge warna log tu joq dar joq JI k candidate ko vote dene nikal kharey hoye the magar bura ho punjab govt ka jis ne aap k voters k sarey vote cheen kar apne candidate k box me daal dey:)
aur Imran khan k voters ne bhi zara aap ka khayal nahi kia warna aap kam az kam 2nd runner tu hotey na...
bhayya isi ley mana kartey they k ppp aur Q League par mat takya karo, rahe sahey voters bhi bhag jay gey, aur wohi hoa,,, kher wait for next election..
aur han, aap mere eik sawal ka jawab dena bhool gay
aap ne abhi tak Qazi Hussain ahmed ya Munawwar Hassan kay kisi betey /beti ka naam nahi bataya jo kisi bhi Jehad me shareek hokar shaheed hoye hoon?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@aristotle: I'm not here to satisfy your ego.
aristotle
Member
HA HA HA
jawab na ban parey tu yehi kaha jasakta hay
me ne tu eik simple sawal kia hay
kia is ka jawab buhat muskil hay
han , hey tu keo k hamari info k mutabiq tu in ji leaders k betey usa me tashreef rakhtey hen aur qazi sahib dosro k bachoo ko Jehad par rawana hone ki talqeen farmatey hen,
galiban Qazi k betey farmabardar nahi is ley qazi ki baton par kaan nahi dhartey
nakhalf kahi k
qazi ko sharminda kardetey hen is sawal par:)
army ka ladla Qazi
Amerka ka dulara Qazi
quom ko pasand kion na aaya Qazi :):):)
aristotle
Member
choosy
batameez
kisi k zakhmo par namak nahi chiraktey
hum se tu haris bhai naraz hogay eik seedha sach sawal pochne par
ab tum bhi ataab me ajao gay:)
he he he
Haris bhai kisi se Naraz nahin hotay .wohh buhat acahy hain .agar Jamatai hain tou kiya howa ?achay aadmi hain.
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