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Haqiqi mulls participation in LG polls

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  1. asif86
    Member

    During the musharraf era the haqiqi was mostly eliminated and forced to go underground.
    What are there chances of putting up a stiff fight in next local bodies elections in their previous strongholds.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=229432

    The Mohajir Qaumi Movement-Haqiqi (MQM-Haqiqi) is mulling contesting the upcoming local body polls; and the release of detained chairman, Afaq Ahmed, will provide the party with a level playing field in the elections, MQM-Haqiqi Women’s Wing Karachi leaders, Faryal Bukhari Advocate and Rida Fatima, said on Tuesday at a press conference at the Karachi Press Club (KPC).

    They demanded that the government immediately release their detained chairman, Afaq Ahmed; provide protection to their workers; and allow them to return home safely.

    They also alleged that the MQM-Haqiqi’s “rival organisation” was planning to “massacre Mohajir youth” in Landhi, Korangi and Shah Faisal Colony. ‘We have reports that a cache of sophisticated ammunition is being piled up in our areas to start another round of massacre of our youth. Armed terrorists have already started harassing people by displaying weapons in Landhi, Korangi and Shah Faisal,’ the MQM-Haqiqi Women’s Wing Karachi leaders said.

    ‘Even the police and the intelligence agencies are providing information about a possible new wave of violence against Haqiqi workers,’ they said. ‘The government, however, is not serious in providing protection to citizens because of the blackmailing of its coalition partners.’

    They also drew the attention of media personnel towards what they referred to as the “ongoing unannounced operation” against MQM-Haqiqi, and said that scores of Mohajir men, women and elders were in exile because they feared for their lives. They appealed to the chief justice of Pakistan, Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, as well as human rights organisations, to take stock of alleged ongoing cruelties against Haqiqi men, women and children, and to play a role in preventing their bloodshed.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 15:37 #
  2. aftab
    Member

    They better watch out NOW because the big bad wolf(MQM-A) will be after them now.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 16:05 #
  3. Anonymous

    Another attempt to divide MQM vote bank in Karachi LB elections as PPP and ANP are forming alliance and all of this is a cheap tactics to control Karachi from MQM and then start looting this city as well...

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 17:02 #
  4. No, they are clever and aware this would not be a good time for them for an all out war with Haqiqi. They are focused on earning a good reputation. Much is at stake.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 17:05 #
  5. Anonymous

    As far as I know the Haqiqi group is also divided in two groups further which is Aamir Khan and Afaq Ahmad and according to many sources Aamir Khan group is tilted towards MQM-A and Afaq group still has their loyalties with agencies....

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 19:04 #
  6. asif86
    Member

    yahya87

    I know sometime back haqiqi group got further divided into two parties.

    What makes you think that Aamir is tilted towards MQM-A and what was the cause of the split.

    Which of the two haqiqi groups has more support amongst haqiqi supporters.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 21:16 #
  7. expakistani
    Member

    @asif86
    MQM H is basically another gang, many of their members work for under world dons like Ibrahim daowd. Their only problem with gang in MQM A is "share in cake pie".

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 2:35 #
  8. Anonymous

    @asif86

    Dont know to much about it but Afaq Ahmad has loyalties with agencies and as our agencies are supporting people like Ibrahim Daowd this could be one of the reason which expakistani pointed out about but on the other hand Aamir Khan must have problems of party position and share in Bhatta collection which could be the reason for divide but this is all I heard I cant say its real or not....might be expakistani know it better as he went so close to all this mess of 1990s even I was a just a kid back then...

    But if you want to know more then google it....

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 11:21 #
  9. asif86
    Member

    I dont belive agencies support haqiqi anymore.In 2002 musharraf needed altaf bhais support to form government and on his orders musharraf asked the rangers and agencies to launch crackdown on haqiqi leadership and their followers.

    there is lots of target killings going on

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010%5C03%5C18%5Cstory_18-3-2010_pg12_1

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 11:31 #
  10. mjkk86
    Member

    aamir and afaq were part of mohajir quami movement but split due to diffrences in their idelogies, btw haqiqi have been victim of unjustice coz establishment used them against mqm in early 90's and later helped mqm to get bigger.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 11:32 #
  11. ajhons
    Member

    There is another rumor that a a lot of Haqiqi members had taken shelter with a religious group sunni tehrik(their members wear green turban).You might have noticed that Sunni tehrik also is not in good relations with MQM, infact accuse them for killing of ST's members specially in Nishter Park blast.I don't know how much truth this theory holds but people do have this opinion also.
    Whatever is the case target killing should be stopp.Difference of opinion must not be went on taking human lifes.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 11:46 #
  12. mjkk86
    Member

    @ajhons
    well sunni tehree acuused mqm for nishtar park blast and said that they mqm was scared of support sunni tehreek is getting from people of karachi.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 12:22 #
  13. Anonymous

    @ajhons

    Yes I also heard of such rumors and I also heard of another is that in order to weak MQM they are also part of ANP's land mafia as well because ANP's activity in areas like Gulistan-e-Jauher Orangi Banarus and other areas clearly indicate the similarities between their activities back in 90s and ANP's activities today so this is another rumors as well...I have met one Haqiqi member once and he told me few things about the life of Haqiqi members...He said that Haqiqi members who are outside the jail living in Karachi have three choices left to make...

    1. Join MQM-A and live as a member of MQM but the problem is that even if MQM-A accept them then their fellow Haqiqi members will kill them and if they are not accepted by MQM-A then their life will be in danger as they will come in their eyes....

    2. Join groups like ST, ANP, gangsters of Liyari or other criminal organization to live in this city...

    3. Move to abroad or to other city to save themselves....

    So based on these alternatives they are making decisions on their own but one thing is for sure that they are tired of being a political workers because he said we did what ever we can for our party but in the end people are ending up with no result...

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 13:33 #
  14. asif86
    Member

    ajhons

    Its not just sunni tehreek which does not have good relations with mqm,infact all even JI,ANP,haqiqi are not in the good books of mqm.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 14:26 #
  15. tamaazkhan
    Member

    JI, ANP, PPP, Sunni Tehreek, Haqqiqi are not in the good books of each other either.

    All political parties in Karachi depise the other, why single out MQM?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 15:33 #
  16. asif86
    Member

    I am not singling anyone out.
    what i am saying is that mqm doesnt allow opposition to grow in their areas and strongholds and this is the main reason why target killings happen in karachim, wheareas in other cities there is no such problem.

    The day klashnikov and bhatta culture finishes in karachi and free and fair elections are held that day mqm will become lalu khet party.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 16:07 #
  17. tamaazkhan
    Member

    ST, ANP, PPP, PMLN&Q(in punjab) does not allow opposition to grow in their areas and strongholds .

    why single out MQM?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 16:10 #
  18. asif86
    Member

    everyone is free to do political activities in punjab and unlike karachi we dont hear about workers of different parties being killed in target killings or bhatta system

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 17:28 #
  19. tamaazkhan
    Member

    My friend, Imran Khan has complained of PML N harrsing their workers in Punjab, Sheikh Tulli and his group got shot up, PML-N, PML-Q keep getting into clashes.
    These things happen in Punjab also, albiet to a much lesser degree.

    -In Punjab there is only PMLN, PMLQ and PPP spread over a very large area, so turf wars are much less common.
    -In Karachi there are many competing interests, concentrated in a very small area, where crossing the street leads to a turf war. Add to the mix an ample supply of weapons and, sadly you have the situation that you have in Karachi today.

    Sunni Tehreek(barelivi) and SSP(deobandi) shoot each other up. ANP and JI people shoot each other up and fight in universities. PPP and JSQM people get involved in target killings.

    You are more likely to have to pay bhatta to police in Karachi, than to ANP in Sohrab Goth, PPP in Lyari, or MQM in Landhi.

    So again I ask you why single out one party?
    Why not look at the situation in its socio-economic context?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 17:55 #
  20. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    If MQM-H goes for LB elections, i am pretty sure PTI will support it. I doubt MQM-H has any decent vote-bank though, as they have been underground for ages.

    @ asif86,
    if MQM did not allow other parties to do politics in Karachi, then would you see ANP and PPP in power in Karachi? Even JI had a vote-bank in Karachi, until their stupidity drove them out. Also, no target killing in Punjab? Tell us where Liaquat Ali Khan, Benazir Bhutto and Z.A. Bhutto died? Recently, Sheikh Rasheed too. As for Target killing in Karachi, there is more to it than meets the eye...

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 19:04 #
  21. Anonymous

    @LiberalKarachi

    Yes you are right as Imran Khan has a habit to stick his nose in any issue without having any knowledge of it even....Last years during rally of JSQM one Haqiqi member try to kill JSQM leader Bashir Quraishi just imagine if he successful in this attempt whole Sindh whould have been a target of Comunal riots and burning and breaking incident as the issue of IDPs was very hot that period and JSQM's rally was also about IDPs in Sindh...but you know Imran Khan dont care what his action could bring to us he only care about is his crush against MQM and he would do anything to get rid of them even he have to support MQM Haqiqi to do it and to disturb already sensitive Sindhi Muhajir relationship in Sindh province....

    I think MQM should start their own campaign for LB elections as well because already to many groups have announced contesting in LB election and most of these groups can divide MQM-A vote bank and as their is a news in circulation about alliance of PPP and ANP which could effect MQM's position in LB election as well....They should start their campaign as soon as posible and should announce their candidate as well because if they dont then this would be a blunder for them because their vote bank could be disturbed by all this.....

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 19:20 #
  22. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    @yahya87,

    i completely agree with your analysis. Regarding PTI and MQM-H, according to last year's news, Imran Khan had been talking to the leadership of MQM-H to unite them in order to counter MQM. Either: Imran Khan doesn't know the history of MQM-H 2) or, he does not shy away from exposing his hypocrisy. MQM is apparently a terrorist party and should be eradicated, yet he has no problems with MQM-H. Does this mean he does not think MQM-H is terrorist or he does not mind selling his 'believes', if the end result is elimination of MQM?

    As for LB, i am personally more worried about PPP rigging outright like they did in Gilgit Baltistan. They are in power, they will use their 'federal machinery' no doubt. PPP ministers apparently think they can win from 8-10 towns.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 19:37 #
  23. Anonymous

    @LiberalKarachi

    Vote rigging is the concern of tomorrow but here when many groups who were not even their in picture suddenly announced their participation in election and despite they know that except for few thousand votes they have no competition against MQM in this LB election....yet understanding all that situation MQM has a great challenge ahead of them

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 19:45 #
  24. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    @ yahya87,

    yes, there seems to be a clearly-planned strategy to corner MQM. But why do you seem worried about it? Their several thousand votes (which is more than an optimistic estimate) will not be sufficient to win from any town and MQM should have no problem winning. Or, do you think the strategy is to divide MQM into smaller fragments overtime (by introducing Haqiqi and the rest into the system) to dilute its power? Or hope that somehow, overtime, the smaller parties begin to pose a challenge to MQM (more competition basically)?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 19:54 #
  25. asif86
    Member

    liberalkarachi
    The PPP and ANP are not in power in karachi.The mqm ruled karachi for last 5 years and had majority in 13 towns.
    Also if PPP and ANP want to form an alliance ahead of next LB polls then its OK because democracy allows alliance,some leaders of PPP were thinking of doing seat adjustment with mqm.

    Why does mqm oppose restoration of defunct 5 districts of karachi?

    yes there may be some target killings in punjab but i think its only a drop in ocean compared to what we see in karachi.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Mar 2010 22:03 #
  26. Anonymous

    @asif86

    Yes they have the democratic choice to make alliance but one thing is for sure their alliance is against the interest of Karachiite because Karachiite dont want PPP Govt. as they are corrupt and zero in terms of performance and about ANP their support for land mafia is the biggest problem as they have made huge colonies by land grabbing and even their leader Shahi Syed owns a petrol pump which is also by land grabbing so we dont want land mafia to roam freely in Karachi....

    Those defunct 5 districts like Karachi west, Karachi east, Karachi central, Karachi south this structure was very small for a city like Karachi because all these 5 districts have population of 10-20 million while for every district only few official or responsible people are available to work as a result Karachi didnt saw any development but in this structure every districts have Union councils and not just one or two but 10-15 Union councils in every districts and all of them have elected town nazims so due to grass root level reach of current LB structure Karachiite saw huge amount of development...Another story to it is because PPP and ANP is running in bureaucratic style and their leaders are always from upper class and are mostly land lord....So in this structure they had to allow their workers to became nazims or councilor in Union councils and the problem is they dont have many educated workers while MQM due to having places like central and east have most educated class support and also workers so in this structure PPP and ANP have to educate their workers and then made them Nazims and that what they dont want to do so they are trying to restore same bureaucratic style which didnt gave any results to the People of Karachi...

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 7:08 #
  27. junaid
    Member

    many greetings for Amir and afaaq.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 7:11 #
  28. asif86
    Member

    yahya87"Those defunct 5 districts like Karachi west, Karachi east, Karachi central, Karachi south this structure was very small for a city like Karachi because all these 5 districts have population of 10-20 million while for every district only few official or responsible people are available to work as a result Karachi didnt saw any development but in this structure every districts have Union councils and not just one or two but 10-15 Union councils in every districts and all of them have elected town nazims so due to grass root level reach of current LB structure Karachiite saw huge amount of development.."

    Well even the 18 towns of karachi are huge and have population exceeding 1 million according to unofficial estimates.

    why not create new ones?

    also sindhi nationalists parties have demanded new districts like malir,lyari.
    some even say there should be 7 or 8 districts of karachi.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 13:11 #
  29. tamaazkhan
    Member

    @asif

    Most certainly the 18 towns are huge in terms of population but quite small in terms of land size.
    Gadap Town, Bin Qasim Town and Korangi Town are the only large towns.
    -Korangi town is industrial so spliting that up makes no adminstrative sense.
    -Gadap and Bin Qasim have comparitivy small populations, again spilt for those towns will be a waste of resources.

    Under the town system, Malir and Lyari ARE seperate towns. So Sindhi Nationalists parties would prefer the Town system instead of the district system.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 14:13 #
  30. Anonymous

    @asif86

    Yes even 18 towns have large population but compare it with 5 district based model that was followed in past....imagine 18 towns mean 18 people managing those town while 5 district means 5 people managing whole city dont you understand a difference now as they have 18 ELECTED people while others have only 5 ELECTED people how much work would five people be able to do even if they make 100+ teams for whole district and what 18 elected people could do if they made 40-50 teams???So that is the difference why 18 town system is working much better in Karachi...

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 14:40 #
  31. asif86
    Member

    Its all about control MQM knows the PPP wants to restore the old districts of karachi to weaken them politically in karachi.
    The district south(i beleive lyari,keamari area) is stronghold off PPP.
    District east with towns like landhi,shah faisal, korangi were no go areas for MQM-A and where under control of haqiqi.

    ANP is strong in areas like orangi,baldia, site

    If the old districts are restored this would mean that MQM-A is confined to district central and it will become much easier to defeat them.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 16:26 #
  32. Anonymous

    @asif86

    Landhi is now MQM stronghold it used to be stronghold of MQM-H but now its MQM stronghold and during target killing MQM was the only once who raised their voices against the target killing of Landhi, Korangi and Ranchore line as well...So MQM is still stronger in this district and mobilized as well and district where areas like Gulshan and Gulistan-e-jauhar are also MQM stronghold.....then comes district center which where MQM have no competition against anyone and in Orangi MQM is also strong as ANP vote bank is confined to a mountain in Orangi town while whole Orangi town behind the mountain is thickly populated with Beharis who are dye hard MQM supporters....Even though the old district of Karachi restored MQM's vote bank wont be affected as they already got their strength in Karachi's 3 districts....Malir and South district would effect MQM vote bank but not all of them...

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 20:52 #
  33. Anonymous

    @mjkk86

    Would you like to present any link where Sunni Tehrik blame MQM for Nishter Park blast because as far as I know they are against SSP(Sipah-e-Sahaba) and they have talked against them many times....

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 21:35 #
  34. Anonymous

    Few facts related to MQM-Haqiqi....

    http://khaledfaroqi.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/terrorism-of-mqm-haqiqi-afaq-exposed/

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 21:38 #
  35. Anonymous

    Here is a brief history of Haqiqi and also about late Azeem Ahmad Tariq...

    http://www.chowk.com/articles/16554

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2010 10:11 #
  36. asif86
    Member

    yahya87
    It is beleived that late MQM chairman azeem ahmad tariq was murdered on the orders of altaf hussain because he didnt wanted him to become chairman of MQM.
    Apparently the wife and children of late azeem tariq live in asylum in US or canada.

    Towards the end of 1991 there were ideological differences within the MQM and some leaders who were once in close company of altaf hussain were kicked out of the party under the pretext of criminal activities.
    Those people later on formed their own party.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2010 14:02 #
  37. Anonymous

    @asif86

    I dont have any idea of what happened but their are two sides of the story one is Haqiqi which is accepted by everyone but other is that before operation against MQM-Altaf Altaf Hussain asked every member in MQM loyal to him to go underground in order to save their lives from Army and agency(MQM Haqiqi) but Azeem Ahmad Tariq despite of loyalty didnt went underground as a result he was killed by army or agency...This story could be defended as Azeem Ahmad Tariq didnt announced his affiliation with MQM haqiqi even after one year of operation against MQM started 1992 so in 1993 he was murdered as well....

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2010 18:29 #

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