Drought - in Pakistan ? Possible ?

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hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

DAWN News: Quest for plan to cope with drought

By Khaleeq Kiani
Monday, 25 Jan, 2010
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A view of the Rawal Dam spillways (above) as the water level decreases due to a prolonged dry spell. Water storage in two dams – Mangla and Tarbela – is said to indicate a situation similar to the drought year of 2002. - APP photo

ISLAMABAD: With river flows down by 21 per cent and water storage having declined by 34 per cent over the past year, the Indus River System Authority (Irsa) has sought details of an advisory of the meteorological department forecasting emerging agricultural drought conditions over the next six months.

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Is drought possible in a country like Pakistan, that claims its primary output/product is agriculture ?

Recently, I heard in an episode of Hasb-e-Hal that soon there'll be shortage of any kind of 'milk' in Karachi, because of cows being 'smuggled' outside Pakistan through Afghan border. I'm not sure if this is true, but is Pakistan in danger, are Pakistani people in danger ?

This is a serious! issue, if it is going to affect people of Pakistan.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 9:31 #
Beenai
Moderator

there were no rains in the past year ...
on the other hand cruel and disables are ruling us.

both logical and hypothetical reasons are there for drought .

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 9:38 #
Mirza Ghalib
member

More of the same, more of that panic-spreading, more of those "na-umeedhi phelane wali" tactics. On the contrary, rejoice, rejoice, countrymen and women, that we are privileged to belong to God's own land, Pakistan!

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 10:01 #
Mirza Ghalib
member

P.S. Sure the rains were sparse last year. This year, God willing, they will be plentiful.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 10:03 #
Anonymous

Yes it is hard time for the people in Pakistan, as usual. Yes, cruel and disabled are ruling over us, as stated by Beenai, because Allah said:

Jaisi qoum hoti hai Mein unn par waisay he hakim nafiz kar daita hoon.

Allah is angry with us. That is why there are no rains. There is water shortage. There is increasing hunger. There is lawlessness. There are frequent cases of murder. There is mounting number of thieves. There is scarcity of basic commodities. There is increasing unemployment. There is unbearable price hike. There is shortage of electricity. There is problem of low pressure in gas lines. There is in fight within the Muslims. There is paucity of vision in us. There are double (rather multiple) standards amongst us. Etc. Etc.

And yet we say, let us rejoice it. Masha Allah.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 11:12 #
Musician
Member

Another Mirz Ghalib said few years ago

Diaam para hui teray dar per naheen hoon mein
khat aysi zindagi pe kay pathar naheen hoon maein

We keep saying God Willing but God wills us to do an honest day's work but we cannot even do that and only want Mann-o-salwah.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 11:33 #
Anonymous

Musician

Aap nay phir mujhay ‘Shash-o-Panj’ bulkeh ‘Haft-o-Hasht’ mein daal dia hai. Hairaan hoon keh kis ko 2-number Mirza Ghalib kahoon?

This comment is posted ‘az rae-mazah’. No one should feel offended please. Rejoice.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 11:48 #
Mirza Ghalib
member

Well, yes. No offence meant and none taken. The point is not one line written above by fellow bloggers can be faulted. They are all right to say the country has gone from bad to worse. But God didn't create Pakistan 62 years ago so that it should go up in smoke now. God has a plan for this place. None of us knows what it might be. We can but hope and guess. And I guess when the non-government of this country is gone and the devastating wars are over, we'll rise to the greatness for which we were intended from the start.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 11:53 #
RhyMe
Members

Punjab-the land of five rivers,where the inhabitants of many cities are facing the problem of water shortage...i see no planning or policies being made by ppl in authority for this shortage...its a serious issue that can cause a great damage in Punjab's agriculture productivity in future

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 12:56 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Government of Punjab has chronically failed in protecting the rights of people of living in the basin of river Indus. Which is evident from the fact that it has not made any efforts for the construction of Kalabagh Dam while Govt of Sind is very proactive even in wasting the water of river Indus in Arabian sea.If Punjab govt can not protect the rights of people living alongside river Indus,it will BE better to separate out those areas from Punjab,so that those people can protect their rights themselves.
It is the responsibility of Punjab Government in the interest of Both Punjab and Pakistan to work and persuade for improvement of water and energy resources punjab otherwise an eletricity,water and food deficient Punjab will become a liability for Pakistan.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 14:37 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

DAWN News: Farmers fear 50pc fall in wheat production

Monday, 01 Feb, 2010
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LARKANA: Farmers’ leaders have expressed the fear that acute shortage of water in canals and prolonged power outages would seriously affect wheat production in Sindh.

According to them, wheat output will decline by 50 per cent if adequate water is not released and power situation does not improve in 15 days.

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Who is looking into this from Govt. of Pakistan ?

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Feb 2010 12:06 #
skunk
Member

Drought in Pakistan is not only possible, if any predictions of scientists are correct, South Asia will have severe dry spells. Needless to say India has been building dams to control the situation. Our arse of a dictator, the stubborn General but not so much of a gentlemen Musharraf did not do anything. He insisted on Kalabagh dam and kept insisting on it, as a result we do not have any dam.

As far as current government is concerned, President Zardari recently laid the foundation stone of ten-fifteen small dams all over Pakistan. Work on Bhasha dam is also all set to take off. Lets hope it gets done.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Feb 2010 20:12 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

There's been talk about Bhasha dam for years. They are still just in the 'all set to to take off' mode ?

When are they going to work on it ? When we'r neck deep into drought ? *disappointed*.

ALL they are giving us is talk. No action. No output. I'm angry!

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Feb 2010 20:16 #
skunk
Member

Bhasha dam has not been all set to take off for years. In fact Mush govt never bothered to complete the feasibility report, the land acquisition is underway, the bidding process is scheduled for September.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Feb 2010 20:32 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

Niazi sahib, WHy don't you build a dam in Punjab? Make one in the middle of Lahore plz!
If you want to build Kala Bagh Dam.... Build it by all means but before that divide Punjab in 4 equal Provinces so that no one can blame the "Barra Bhai (Pukhtoonkhwa in 2, sindh in 4, Baluchistan in 2 and Kashmir and Biltistan in 3)

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Feb 2010 20:33 #
Linkwheel
Member

http://www.akhbar-e-jehan.com/288/badban.php

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Feb 2010 21:12 #
Patriot
Member

Drought in Pakistan is very much possible with scant rainfall further compounded with building of Dams by India and releasing little or no river water into Pakistan.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 5:06 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Has Pakistan done all it could via peaceful/constructive ways to help the situation ? Certainly not! It hasn't even started doing any of that. How can we blame Indians alone for this ?

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 5:14 #
Patriot
Member

We have reasons to blame India. India is defying all treaties and attempting to induce draught like conditions in Pakistan by controlling water sources that happen to be in India.
Up till now no peaceful means/talks have bore any fruit. This also makes a water war between the two a possibility!

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 5:24 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I'm not talking about that. Yes, we should blame India. In this instance, it is perfectly ok.

What I'm saying is, has Pakistan, its people or its Govt. done anything inside! Pakistan, that was under our power, that would help the situation ? NO!

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 5:35 #
Patriot
Member

Pakistani is wasting time by exchanging delegations with India regarding water resource management while India is buying time to complete it's dams under construction . Pakistan should lobby for this at an international level.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 6:01 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I believe, if Govt. stop the mafia from cutting trees' from mountains, there will be some betterment in rainfall/ice fall situation.

It wouldn't be as worse as it is right now.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 7:17 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

DAWN News: Minfal cuts wheat target by 2mn tons

Thursday, 04 Feb, 2010
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ISLAMABAD: The government has reduced the wheat production target to 23 million tons as it expects a shortfall of 2 million tons in view of the canal water shortage and the drought forecast in certain areas, including barani areas.
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We'r not getting 'out of trouble', as soon as we think we will.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Feb 2010 7:42 #
Raavi
Member

"This also makes a water war between the two a possibility! "

Yes it is possible

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Feb 2010 7:48 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

DAWN News: Water shortage hits wheat crop

Wednesday, 10 Feb, 2010
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KHAIRPUR: An acute shortage of water persists in three canals of the district, casting a negative impact on wheat crop.

According to information gathered by this correspondent on Tuesday, water level in Mirwah Canal of Khairpur east feeder was at 5.5 feet mark against its requirement of more than eight feet. The canal irrigates land in Khairpur, Kotdiji, Thari Mirwah and Faiz Ganj talukas.

Water level in Abul Wah of Khairpur west feeder was at eight feet mark against its requirement of 10 feet. The canal irrigates land in Khairpur, Kingri, Gambat and Sobhodero talukas.

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This situation is nothing short of alarming.

I recognize attributes of Pakistani people. One of their attribute is that, they only move towards betterment when death/destruction is upon them, and they have no other option, other than to choose betterment. This trait is common among ALL! Pakistanis', regardless.

This is how Pakistan will conduct itself. Attributing to its people, Pakistan may only start moving towards betterment, when it reaches nearest to its death/destruction.

Posted 1 year ago on 10 Feb 2010 23:06 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Government of Punjab has chronically failed in protecting the rights of people of Punjab. Which is evident from the fact that it has not made any efforts for the construction of Kalabagh Dam while Govt of Sind is very proactive even in wasting the water of river Indus in Arabian sea.If Punjab govt can not protect the rights of people living alongside river Indus,it will BE better to separate out those areas from Punjab,so that those people can protect their rights themselves. From NFC award it is evident that Punjab Govt has sacrificed the rights of people just for pleasing those who always hate punjab. Moreover Punjab Govt has not raised any concern about the suffering of people of Punjab in Baluchistan,Karachi and Sind. Thar coal project will have adverse effects on each and every living organism,atmosphere,enviroment in Punjab but Punjab Govt foolish leaders has not shown any concern about that project.

Due to incompetent Punjab Government , situation has so much deteriorated that other provinces which are very vocal about Provincial autonomy are interfering in the affairs of Punjab by violating provincial autonomy of Punjab , for example Sindh Province Government and Assembly has started to give suggestions to Punjab that which Canal should be kept opened or closed, which Dam (hydrel project ) should be constructed or not, and which land of Punjab should be cultivated or not, while Punjab Government is completely silent about such interference, while Sindh Government is busy in wasting River Indus water in Arabian sea which is a sin and crime against humanity but Punjab government is making no objection about such wastage.

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Feb 2010 13:18 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

DAWN News: Milk, ghee, cooking oil prices go up

Wednesday, 03 Mar, 2010
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No change was seen in the rates of various flour items. However, spices showed a fluctuation. Sugar is being sold at Rs66 and Rs68 per kg as compared to Rs70 per kg last month. Fresh milk rate was raised by Rs4 per litre on March 1 by retailers. - File photo

KARACHI: Prices of fresh milk, ghee and cooking oil witnessed an increase in the month of February, while pulses, rice and sugar registered a fall in their prices.

A random market survey between Feb 1 and March 1 revealed a drop in the price of Masoor (No 1) to Rs106 from Rs123 per kg while No 2 quality Masoor now sells at Rs100 as compared to Rs105.

Masoor (whole) plunged to Rs86 from Rs88 per kg while mash washed (No 1 and 2 qualities) are available at Rs127 and Rs105 as compared to Rs143 and Rs115 per kg.

Mash whole black rate is now tagged at Rs127 as compared to Rs132 per kg while Moong (washed), Arhar and gram remained pegged to their last month’s level.

Retailers are charging Rs8 to 12 per kg profit as compared with the prevailing wholesale price of pulses.

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Ok, so Govt. hasn't taken any steps in over 2 years to do anything about this ?

Prices are going up, rather than coming down ?

(1) What is the government doing ?

(2) More importantly, WHAT are the people of Pakistan doing about it ?

Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2010 6:42 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2010 7:08 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

DAWN News: Ghazi Ghat jungle on the verge of extinction

Saturday, 06 Mar, 2010
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The jungle is losing its geographical features, thanks to grabbers, encroachers, timber thieves and the Punjab government.—File photo

MUZAFFARGARH: The Ghazi Ghat jungle is rapidly losing its geographical features, thanks to grabbers, encroachers, timber thieves and last but not the least, the government itself as a Danish School, the brainchild of the incumbent chief minister, is likely to be constructed on a chunk of land gradually ‘snatched’ from the jungle.

The vanishing jungle spreading over 2,100 acres on the eastern bank of the River Indus was once considered the `darkest’ place in this district owing to its thick plantation.

Gangs of alleged criminals preferred making it their haven. The secret abodes also helped the gangsters precisely execute ‘jungle warfare’ against any possible invasion, mainly by the personnel of police or other law-enforcement agencies, in hot pursuits.

There are four jungles in this district which are under the control of the Punjab Forestry Department. The Essanwala jungle spreads over 7,072 acres, Ghazi Ghat 2,106, Ahmed Mohana 2,306 and Bait Sohni 698 acres.

Though the government announces plantation drive twice a year, not even a single sapling is planted in the fast shrinking Ghazi Ghat jungle over the years.

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Another jungle to go out in Pakistan. I wonder why there's no more rain ?

Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2010 13:15 #
Raavi
Member

At global level there may be many other reasons for no rain. But in Pakistan it is our stupidity, criminal negligence as you pointed out Haris bhai.

We are killing not only our people but our future generations as well!

Even if India stops our water, no rain we can get sufficient water from our God bestowed resources! It is when our rulers would stop sending our hard earned money to their swiss and british accounts and start thinking about us.

Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2010 13:54 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

DAWN News: Falling world sugar rates fail to impact local market

Sunday, 14 Mar, 2010
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A man carries a sack of sugar, while others queue for their turn at a market in Karachi. – Photo by Reuters.

KARACHI: The rapidly falling sugar prices in the world market have failed to impact the local market, where prices are still high, dealers and traders said. The world sugar prices hovering around $780 per ton for some time have come down to $550 to $590 per ton. The sugar analysts believe that prices would fall further to around $450 to $500 per ton.

On an average, fall in sugar prices per day for the last one week had been $20-25 and if the current trend continues the prices would touch below $500 per ton in next few days.

In contrast, prices in the domestic market continue to be on higher side and even today it is being sold at Rs63 to Rs65 per kg in the open market. Sugar analysts believe that if world prices have fallen to $550 per ton, price in the domestic market should not be more than Rs46 to Rs49 per kg.

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There's so! much injustice. Local sugar makers should first satisfy local demand. Only after that should they be allowed to export the rest.

Why is this rule not being followed by current Govt. ?

What's the matter ?

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 16:54 #
skunk
Member

During eight years of glorious mullah-military rule aka army-MMA rule we did not build dams, despite warnings by all global scientific organizations, hence we suffer today. Even worse was the fact that they allowed India to build dams in such a manner that Pakistan has little recourse even to the Indus Basin treaty.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 17:06 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

You can't blame MMA for it. Go to court of law and try it. They won't even accept your case for review. They will throw it out as invalid.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 17:23 #
S.E.Mirza
Moderator

Today while watching a news channel when a WAPDA official was asked about a lake in Quetta that has completely dried up, and local water table that has gone dangerously down to a very low level.
He blamed the current trend of pistachio and almonds farmers who have switched to irrigation intensive cash crops.
This may be one reason.
-Use of ages old Flood Irrigation where more than 40 percent of water is being wasted while crops are irrigated.
-Drip irrigation is not popular and hasn't picked up.
-Scant rainfalls, at times no rains for a couple of years.
-Indian control on our river water (50% reduced flow of Sindh river water since 1992) all are contributing factors towards a situation nothing less than an overall draught that will rage on all over Pakistan.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 17:35 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Mirza sb. add;

(a) cutting trees by mafias'
(b) cutting trees by mafias' in hilly areas

Also add, that Govt. is doing nothing about it. Govt. is silently allowing this to go on and on.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 17:37 #
S.E.Mirza
Moderator

Haris Bhai Sahab,
No mafia can survive for long or survive at all without government backing, direct or indirect!

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 18:06 #
aftab
Member

We still sit in our homes and give a free ride to the corrupt ruling elite, time to come out on to the streets and demand our basic necessities of life otherwise no point complaining because the elite won't give you anything on a plate.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 18:15 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Well, our trees are going, going, nearly gone. Entire hills have become bald. As a result, temperature in our land has drastically increased over the past 1-3 decades. Rain is almost no more.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 18:15 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

When you have no trees' left in hilly areas, how will you have;

(1) rain ?
(2) decrease in over-all temperature (even in cities) ?

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 18:29 #
Qalma'go
Member

(2)Increase (not decrease) in over-all temperature.
I hope you don't mind hariskhan sahib.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 18:46 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 18:51 #
Qalma'go
Member

Extremely sorry haris bhaiya. I apologize for the oversight. My fault!

When you have no trees' left in hilly areas, how will you have?
(2) Decrease in over-all temperatures.

Very true.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Mar 2010 18:54 #
S.E.Mirza
Moderator

Trees are being cut down at an alarming rate since a long time now. Forest Officials, members of ruling elite, and investing parties have all joined hands forming a formidable force, a mafia.
100 years lease of forest land is also being misused. One has just to vist such areas and see for themselves.They are not a forst anymore.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Mar 2010 7:53 #
LalBichoo
Blocked

semirza,

Sorry for posting off-topic !

Could you plzzz check and advise why below thread has been removed !

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/thanks-edhi-sb-for-exposing-dirty-nexus-bw-taliban-khan-and-gen-hamid-gul#post-130597

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Mar 2010 7:56 #
Patriot
Member

This thread should have been an eye opener. Draughts in Pakistan are on the horizon for us to see and act now.

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 5:09 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Government of Punjab has chronically failed in protecting the rights of people of Punjab. Which is evident from the fact that it has not made any efforts for the construction of Kalabagh Dam while Govt of Sind is very proactive even in wasting the water of river Indus in Arabian sea.If Punjab govt can not protect the rights of people living alongside river Indus,it will BE better to separate out those areas from Punjab,so that those people can protect their rights themselves. From NFC award it is evident that Punjab Govt has sacrificed the rights of people just for pleasing those who always hate punjab. Moreover Punjab Govt has not raised any concern about the suffering of people of Punjab in Baluchistan,Karachi and Sind. Thar coal project will have adverse effects on each and every living organism,atmosphere,enviroment in Punjab but Punjab Govt foolish leaders has not shown any concern about that project.

Due to incompetent Punjab Government , situation has so much deteriorated that other provinces which are very vocal about Provincial autonomy are interfering in the affairs of Punjab by violating provincial autonomy of Punjab , for example Sindh Province Government and Assembly has started to give suggestions to Punjab that which Canal should be kept opened or closed, which Dam (hydrel project ) should be constructed or not, and which land of Punjab should be cultivated or not, while Punjab Government is completely silent about such interference, while Sindh Government is busy in wasting River Indus water in Arabian sea which is a sin and crime against humanity but Punjab government is making no objection about such wastage.

On one side we are blaming India for stealing our water for generation of electricity and irrigation,but question is if we waste our water ourselves in sea as sea fishes are thirsty or as there is shortage of rain on the sea while it is sea which receive the larger portion of rain as compared to land then infact India is doing a noble thing and we Pakistanies by wasting sweet water in the sea are doing a crime and sin against humanity.

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 5:54 #
Raavi
Member

I dont know when would we start thinking (and acting). Our politicians would be doing their politics when people would be dying of their (current politicians) stupidity, negligence.

Wake up!

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 15:26 #
S.E.Mirza
Moderator

@Niazi Sahab
On one side we are blaming India for stealing our water for generation of electricity and irrigation, but question is if we waste our water ourselves in sea as sea fishes are thirsty or as there is shortage of rain on the sea.

India is being blamed for not honoring Indus Water treaty. Decreased (almost 50%) flow in Indus has disturbed a critical balance and due to that sea water is coming inland rendering huge tracts of cultivable land barren, laden with salt. Farmers from river delta and adjoining areas have already moved on while you moan about fish in the sea, rainfall on the sea! What sort of logic is this?

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Mar 2010 16:39 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

DAWN News: Tarbela dam reservoir hits dead level

Tuesday, 16 Mar, 2010
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The Indus, which was flowing at 24,300 cusecs on March 15 last year also dipped to 21,300 cusecs. –File

LAHORE: The Tarbela dam reservoir hit the dead level on Monday, leaving the agriculture and power generation to rely on paltry run-of-the-river supplies which also have taken a sharp dip.

According to official figures, all the rivers were flowing on Monday at around 20 per cent less than last year’s levels on the day.

The Indus, which was flowing at 24,300 cusecs on March 15 last year, dipped to 21,300 cusecs, the Jhelum at Mangla flowed 20,800 cusecs against 25,300 cusecs on the same day last year and the Chenab at 9,200 cusecs against 9,700 cusecs last year.

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We desperately need new Dams.

Right now, Pakistan can only hold reserves of up to 30 days of water, where-as India can hold reserves of up to 3 or more months. And USA, China can hold water reserves for a year or more.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 22:33 #
skunk
Member

Indeed we need not follow the example of glorious rule of the mullah-military alliance and build dams on ground and not paper.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Mar 2010 23:06 #