Benazir killed by whom and for what?

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irfanx
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I dont get it she was not against establishment and she was definitely not against army. She was no good for pakistan so why would they kill some one like her, they need these kinda fools to give themn the country and then tell Pakistanis you cannot run a country ur not good enough.

I seriously doubt she was killed by her own pack of wolfs. It cant be musharraf , nawaz or west this time i think it was REALLY a terrorist or a poor desperate Pakistani. Look at the irony people and the bad guys want the same thing now.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 15:48 #
Dervaish
Member

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2232496,00.html

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 16:23 #
Insider
Member

it was most clearly a terrorist that was brainwashed by backward jihadis. no matter what anyone says, suicide is and always will be against the law of islam. people try to justify it, but it will never be justified.

it was the same people that have tried to assassinate mush several times.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 16:25 #
Dervaish
Member

Says Jason Burke of The Observer: "Bhutto herself, talking to me two weeks ago, spoke of the hardcore of senior military officers, spies, retired generals and others who she believed ran a shadow state in Pakistan with strong Islamic militant sympathies and who wanted to destroy her. She constantly made such claims that were often exaggerated, but they did contain a kernel of truth".
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/jason_burke/2007/12/who_did_it.html

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 16:35 #
irfanx
Member

If they are the same people how come they are so successful this time. I mean a person who is willing to blow himself why would he miss a target when its musharraf or when its benazir the first time. I am not saying its not those brainwashed ignorant assholes but i doubt that.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 16:36 #
Insider
Member

irfan you are looking too deep into this. they are successful this time because they have had practice. they tried before and they know what works or not.

the bomber knew there is a chance he could not get close enough to kill, so he shot her first and then blew himself up.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 16:39 #
adeel ayub
Member

i myself was a staunch opponent of BB but this is worse than the worst case scenario.
folks i cant see our beloved country getting out of it for long time to come.
Words like Tragedy or even Catastrophe undermine this situation.
& look at these sense less tv channels, ther r saying she was killed by suicider, God **** these channels, how the hell she got 5 bullets in her neck & chest.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 16:40 #
Insider
Member

because the person who killed her committed suicide. its not that hard a concept to understand.

look around you, its happening all over the place. at eid namaz, and political rallies.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 16:42 #
irfanx
Member

Well i am against any puppets like Benazir or nawaz. So for me her death doesn't bring any sorrow. Look how many people common people are suffering in Pakistan because of these corrupt leaders. I have seen prices go high in my own life so much that i fear the future. So she is dead a lot of people died she didn't at least have an honorable death doing something for her country. Instead she had a deal with dictator and she didnt joined all the opposition parties in boycott. She wanted the power for her own good.

I use to think that benazir and nawaz are hopes but instead i realized they are there to kill your hopes.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 16:51 #
adeel ayub
Member

it doesn't matter now when she has gone that how evil her history was. Her assassination marks a new milestone in this country's history. PML-N has already announced to boy-cott, i doubt now if there can be any elections.but folks plz think:
"this is the human's life; At one instance being arguably the most popular leader of a nation, and thinking of a bright future & next moment gone, to B buried under tonnes of soil in just 4 by 7 feet grave.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 18:03 #
Insider
Member

adeel,

she is not the first to die, nor will she be the last. i doubt that it will mark any milestone.

her supporters will throw some rocks, burn some tires and kill a few innocent police officers but it will all be over in a few days.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 18:06 #
irfanx
Member

Yeah its simple we all die but some of us really LIVE. Like Zulfiqar bhutto not Benazir.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 18:06 #
irfanx
Member

I think its more critical then that, in spite of her corruption and everything she had a popular voters base so i don't think so we will have any elections now. If there are elections its good in one way we would see new faces that might bring some change in our country.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Dec 2007 19:51 #
Majorjk
Member

The President General Pervaiz Musharraf is a liar in his speech,could he explain who tried to KILL THE GREAT CHIEF JUSTICE OF SUPREME COURT CH.IFTIKHAR AND his team in Karachi and than in Islamabd(F-8),all is clear.Who overthrew the Chief Justice and his honourable team,same people would benefit from Great Benazir Bhuttoâ€™s death and by killing Nawaz Sharif,ReInstate CH.Justice Iftikhar and Supreme Court .

Could anyone clear how attempt on Benazir bhutto and at the same time firing on Nawaz Sharifâ€™s car near Rawat are corelated,it seems very clear who did it and why and who would benefit from Dividing the contry .Killing of Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif would benefit only few people in the world and help them to create panic and chaos in Pakistan and break the country as it was done in 1971,who KILLED LIAQAT ALI KHAN ?

the same powers are doing it again today,think rationally and wake up nation .The military has made a mockery of Pakistan and Pakistani people,they didnâ€™t make Pakistan,Pakistan was made in the name of Islam and we should be proud of our identity,

Pig General Musharraf,Chaudhry Brothers,Altaf Hussain,Ejaz Ul Haq,Maulana Diesel,Sheikh Rasheed are those people who get the benefit from Her Death and those nations who want to destabalize Pakistan since its creation and killed Liaqat Ali Khan the First Prime Minister of Pakistan who was not corrupt .He once said the enemies of Pakistan have let loose these dogs who talk like this against Pakistan and they are liars,traitors and hypocrates.

We are ruled by Pharoh.

If Pig General is sincere he should re instate GREAT CHIEF JUSTICE IFTIKHAR AND HIS TEAM N IMMEDIATELY RESIGN . OR we should be ready for PAkistan to be next Iraq,dream of SADDAM HUSSIAN AND HITLER GENERAL PERVAIZ MUSHARRAF.

Also many people within PPP also wanted to see her dead so they can have the power,even their are few traitors within Benazir Bhuttoâ€™s party line,Sherry Rehman and few others would be very happy that GREAT BENAZIR IS DEAD

And they will compromise with Pig General on number of issues,while Benazir being a politician would have not,as SHE NEVER FEARED THE PHAROH/SADDAM HUSSAIN/HITLER GENERAL MUSHARRAF.

she had made an alliance with Nawaz Sharif and was about to knock out politically crippling Pig General with the political leaders mentioned above,

but sad she was killed by them as General Musharraf was threatened by HER becoming Prime Minister.Now General will make sure HE KILLS NAWAZ SHARIF as soon as possible,after all he killed BUGTI too,and so many Pakistanis too.Pakistan has lost a great asset.

And who will get the ultimate benefit from the killings ? Think and u will all reach to the murderer.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 0:19 #
Dervaish
Member

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2232736,00.html
""I know exactly who wants to kill me. They are dignitaries of General Zia's former regime who are behind extremism and fanaticism," she told the French magazine Paris-Match. Later she blamed "closet supporters" of the militants and spoke of her fear that retired military men wanted her dead. She pointed an accusing finger at the army's powerful intelligence arm, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency".

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 0:55 #
Dervaish
Member

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2232700,00.html

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 0:59 #
Dervaish
Member

http://www.counterpunch.org/shibli12272007.html

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 2:21 #
km
Member

The most tragic part of all of this is where is Pakistan heading. The first tier of the elite (the enlightened moderates as claimed by Musharraf) cannot rid themselves of their lavish life styles and dance parties while they claim to be staunch muslims in public life. The second tier of uniformed and non uniformed bureaucracy is making a quick buck (through corruption) to send their sons and daughters abroad to get educated and then the third tier of the common lot who work to put food on their tables.
Notwithstanding who was killed from Liaquat Ali Khan (1951 killed at the same site as Benazir) till today we have humiliated and tainted our leaders (some of them have done it themselves though) and in my life time Musharraf is the only leader who has brought in Cammando violent language in Pakistan political dictionary (remember when he threated Bugti through hitting him with a missile from Islamabad). It is all unfortunate and maybe some people still take it lightly Pakistan is in the long term heading for serious implications for decisions taken by today's generation. Benazir's murder is the work of people inside the country and not of outside.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 4:41 #
irfanx
Member

Looking closely i think the problem is much deeper as it seems. The elements of extremist forces are very deep rooted in our country. Now when i open up my eyes i see them in ARMY, JUDICIARY, POLITICAL PARTIES and GOVERNMENT SERVICES. The presence of these elements can be felt with every events. I know musarrah was tried to assassinated a few times and i believe not all of them were fake. The way Benazir was killed was definitely done with inside contacts, links, intelligence, sharp shooting skills, precision and resources. I would think its clearly those elements who are behind her death. She use to refer to them as General Zia supporters.

God bless Pakistan

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 4:45 #
irfanx
Member

The war is now upon US. Well no surprise we got paid to fight this war now its within our own politics and cities. Well their is no way running out of it now we have to finish the work we started wether we like it or not. Extreme elements can determine how we live our lives and change events in Pakistan.

I would love to listen to more views on this events not posted columns but ANALYTICAL thinking by common members of this forum and also the one who think intellectually.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 4:52 #
zack
Member

I think it's the same elements who want to destabilize Pakistan for there own .... gains they did it. They have no shame what so ever for them life has no value. It's sad the way she left but it also high time we acknowledge we got a problem in our hands. The only way to deal would to bring all the political forces behind this issue and get people suppose to get rid for these idiots only then we have hope of success. As long as people believe army is fighting America's war we will not win, we can only win if people believe it's their fight and these soldiers are fighting to save Pakistan not America.

Al-Qaeda claims Bhutto killing
By Syed Saleem Shahzad
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IL29Df01.html

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 7:37 #
Adonis
Member

Usually th on responsible for someone's murder is teh one who stands to gain teh most. Now who benefits the most from Benazir's death?

I heard someone on CNN saying that it was quite clear that America was propagating Benazir as its new puppet in pakistan as Musharraf was becoming too much of a liability due to his extreme unpopularity. Now after her death, there is no american supported replacemnt for musharraf and whether it likes it or not, America has no option but to keep supporting musharraf now..........

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 7:56 #
aishasana
Member

i dont care how bad she was ,it should not happened .why was she killed ? she was still a leader no matter what noone has the right to kill her .i feel sad and shocked that how can some people justify her killing .its sick .
she was murdered guys and her u are trying to brood on her past .u all are sick .she was a human god **** it .
even though i was not in favor of her policies but was it the last resort ? killing our leaders ? what kind of country we have ?
u dont go and kill other if u dont like them .im sure no alqaida is behind it .
it was again a conspiracy .NS did the right thing by announcing boycotting.he also narrowly excaped attack the same day which resulted in the deaths of his four party workers and 16 injured .where i live my cousin saw with his own eyes PMLQ firing and injuring PMLN worker just because he was putting a banner of NS in lahore .now that sick mush comes and shows that he is sad .he is the biggest hypocrite so is his "tola" of pmlq dogs .who are behind this attack .

shame on mush .go resign if u have any shame left in you .mush lifted emergency coz his purpose was served now noone should participate in election its all sham .pmlq is bunch of sick murderers and mush is their leader .

geo still banned .what kind of nation we are ?
we dont deserve democracy we just deserve some army dictator ruling us coz thats what happened to our leaders .

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 8:17 #
aishasana
Member

and here we are discussing politics i think there is no point having this forum we are not civilized country we are living in a country where law of jungle prevails where we have dictators only protecting their **** others dont matter .
daily we have sucide bombing and that sick mush doing nothing just clinging to power and saving his **** .sick .we are turning into another iraq .
im ashamed of being a pakistani .
i hate my country now .im done with it .its over .
now im sure im ready to go somewhere else to be a third rated citizen instead of dying here with any blind bullet .
down with mush u r sick i hate u .

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 8:52 #
aishasana
Member

i hate u mush from the core of my heart . mush u r sick .

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 8:53 #
LetsDoIt
Member

Who is behind this attack?
Islamic Terrorists.......No way Its non-sense
Al-Qaida.................No way Its non-sense
PMLQ.....................No way Its non-sense
Some Individual..........No way Its non-sense

Who is getting the advantage of the situation? This situation is not political at all. Please think over it. It is something against Pakistan not something against Pakistani Politics.
Big Political parties or establishment never went against the whole country.
In my opinion this act is done to show that Pakistan is unstable country and they are not able to protect the atomic bomb.

Mush can never even think of such act because he is not getting any advantage of this, It would be advantageous for him if he was wearing Uniform, but still i accuse him just because he made the conditions so favourable for the terrorists.

Even Al-Qaida is ready to take the responsibility but i donâ€™t believe. Al-Qaida never did something which is in the favor of Muslims or Islam. Even after 11 sep., they started SHIA SUNNI violence in Iraq, when USA and UK were looking desperately for the reason to justify their attack. The timing of their video messages is always perfect. Now they took responsibility of Benazir,,,, why, I donâ€™t understand, what objectives they could achieve through this..

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 10:14 #
irfanx
Member

I said Extreme elements are involved but i didn't say they get their instructions from a crazy guy on top. I agree with LetsDot their trimmings are perfect and they do everything in order to support the US policies. BUT the problem is we cant change US policy or stop USAMA from taking instructions from US or whoever instructs him. Instead we can avoid letting Pakistani people a part of it and thats gonna happen with some reforms not with army action. Now army doesn't want that they get paid for fighting these elements. THe problem is Pakistan`s name is being dragged into it for less profit and more loss in terms of our international status as a nation.

What you think should be the way out of this?

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 16:06 #
Insider
Member

its crazy how you guys think mush had this done. dont you realize that he would have been the obvious choice to have this done?

its obviously clear that twisted jihadis that think they are doing gods work are behind this.

where are all the jamaat islamis now? They should be on tv condemning suicide bombings.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 18:01 #
Rafi
Member

I have a theory about who killed BB.
"It was planned by Rogue elements of existing and retired establishment and executed by extremist elements"
It was the case of I scratch your back and you scratch mine. These rogue elements helped creation, aid and assistance of all those extremist organizations; now they are asking those extremist elements to return the favor. Extemist were trigger man but planned by rogue establishment.
Motive:
Through the experience; BB matured to be a shrewd politician. She know now how to handle and control establishment. If she succeed in forming the Govt. then these shadowy elements will loose control, they don't want to loose that control. That is why they executed this plan.
Establishment is an unofficial cartel of Military Intelligence, ISI, Bureaucracy and some politicians.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 18:50 #
hansi
Member

A sad end indeed!!!!

Was there any other way she would have given up power politics??...NO!!

Brave she was, as she made a lot of enemies to try and achieve her personal goals.

How about sikhs??? Could they not have done this?? After all in 1988' she sent Aitzaz with a list of all the leaders of kahlistan movement to hand it to Gujral. She made a lot of enemies for her personal gains and paid the ultimate price. I do hope someone good comes out to fill this leadership vaccum. If nawaz flees the country I wont be surprised :)

She is history, lets pray God forgives her for all her sins and lets move on and find a good leader. IK anyone???

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 19:11 #
Rebel_B
Member

@ Insider
Hey macaca, welcome to 'Discuss', and thanks for making it a more entertaining and funny place.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 20:32 #
Rafi
Member

@All Pro Mush and Establishment Supporters
Rogue elements of establishment made their biggest blunder. Dead Benazir is more dangerous to them then the alive one. Don't believe me? Just watch!!

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 20:42 #
irfanx
Member

I think the establishment learned its lesson from Zulfiqar Bhutto by making him an immortal hero thought he had the credentials. I don't think they would make the same mistake again. I still doubt that its the work of Msuharraf.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 20:55 #
hasheesh
Member

"Benazir killed by whom and for what?"

decide for yourself... http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Police_abandoned_security_posts_before_Bhutto_1228.html

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 21:38 #
Rafi
Member

'Rogue Elements' are elements inside the establishment. They are the biggest beneficiary of her death.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 22:07 #
secular_pakistan
Blocked

guys. lets not start pointing fingers without considering their consequences and implications. lets wait and hope for something good. and be patient. this is one of the toughest times our nation has faced in it's history.

now, i think some senior members of the PPP should become part of the investigation committee, they have so many people who could do that. or someone from PPP could even lead the investigation team.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Dec 2007 22:12 #
Rafi
Member

@Secular
Does discussing theory is finger pointing?
Aren't we have right to list down possible suspects?

Rogue elements will gain by this assanination, they figured it out that BB's assumption of power will reduce or eliminate their free hand in the handling of secret fund and budget without audit.

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Dec 2007 5:33 #
Rebel_B
Member

Hey guys, I found something real interesting about Benazir's death. Seems to me like a really wild conspiracy theory, but it has some weight. According to a person commenting at the end of a Washington Post article about US troops heading to Pakistan early next year for training Pakistanis in counter-terrorism, etc., Benazir was killed for being a loudmouth. He posts her interview with David Frost a couple of months back from Dubai to prove his point. In this show, Ms. Bhutto claims that Osama bin Laden is dead, murdered by Khalid Sheikh Mohammad. Why I give weight to this argument is that a journalist of the calibre of David Frost let this claim by Ms. Bhutto go unchallenged. Can you guys imagine what Osama's death would mean for the 'war on terror' of Bush & Co. More than that, it would mean that all Osama messages that we heard about since have been FAKES. Well, I'll let you decide by posting this link. Concentrate on her interview after 5 minutes 40 seconds.

If correct, this could point at the indirect (through extremists) or direct involvement of either, or both, the CIA and the ISI. I have never really thought of Musharraf as being involved in this assassination, although he did not look ruffled when he came on TV to condole about it, in contrast to how he looked when he declared martial law/ emergency.

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Dec 2007 8:05 #
hasheesh
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Posted 4 years ago on 29 Dec 2007 11:48 #
irfanx
Member

So its not Taliban its not Nawaz Sharif no one else took the blame.
So we are left with two options.

Musharraf or a foreign Element?

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Dec 2007 15:45 #
hasheesh
Member

is this the most moronic statement or what

"This is not an ordinary criminal matter in which we require assistance of the international community. I think we are capable of handling it"

yes you **** this is NOT as ordinary matter THATS WHY you need international assistance.
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Pakistan rejects help in bhutto probe
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/12/29/international/i010250S37.DTL&feed=rss.news

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Dec 2007 20:29 #
secular_pakistan
Blocked

my head is spinning thinking about all the possibilities of who could've done this and for what motive

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Dec 2007 20:34 #
hasheesh
Member

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/28/105733/97/1001/427166

read the comments

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Dec 2007 20:40 #
irfanx
Member

I agree with hasheesh the Government is trying to hide something. Their attitude is so lay back and all their answers are ambiguous.

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Dec 2007 21:04 #
Folklore
Member

Guys !!

I read all the comments and its very serious and important to find the truth . I dont think so that Mush is involved . I read Webster Tarpley and things are never so simple .Was the Bush Administration Behind Benazir Bhutto Assassination? is the artile worth reading and do share your comments ....

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/12/29/was_the_bush_administration_behind_benaz

Here is the article and to me it seems more logical than any other ..And Tarpley says All Intelligence Agenicies are connected with each other through doupes and moles who have same agenda ..like his basic question Why ISI chief was there in US when 9/11 happened ?Why at that time ....Job may be done by some FATA guy and possibly ISI resources utilised ...without any approval.So it seems logical not to allow any Foriegn Investigation .. they can be the part of plan by the real Planners and will have pre written results stating that Mush is the killer and Mush knows that game .. Just a view point though ?? Comments and further study links awaited

Posted 4 years ago on 30 Dec 2007 3:59 #
irfanx
Member

If we assume it was the bush administration they could not ahve done this without inside help. Who helped them it cant be taliban it cant be any political party. The only option left is Mush and tahts like coming back to the starting point of the circle by starting from bush then his alley mush then ISI then the taliban instructed by ISI and it all comes to the same MAN. The man not in army uniform but still on the same agenda.

Posted 4 years ago on 30 Dec 2007 6:20 #
Folklore
Member

well i am sure not him. As Bush Adm is trying to topple him and this act will surely help US and their propoganda machines Anglo Americans CNN,FOX and SKY and people like Wolf.

Please read the article below ( I am not a Mush supporter at all ) But we must keep our brain doors open !

http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/latest_col.php?id=9

Posted 4 years ago on 30 Dec 2007 7:17 #
hasheesh
Member

Pakistan hosed away scene after Bhutto attack

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/New_suspicious_surround_Bhutto_death_over_1229.html

Posted 4 years ago on 30 Dec 2007 12:15 #
yaqub2005
Member

Who Killed? Possibly
1)Al Qaeda as she was US backed to fight these elements.
2)Establishment: She had stated that Dr AQ khan will be made available to UN for questioning. also apparently she was soft with them but actually hard inside even much more than NS. NS had no blood revenge as like BB.
3)Q-League: She was a hurdle in way of Gugrati PM ship.
4)CIA/Mosad; To create turmoil and make pakistan what they call most dangerous state in the world. They trapped her while supporting her openly and exposed her dangerously and then killed her.
5)RAW: To divide pakistan as she was symbol of federation.

Posted 4 years ago on 31 Dec 2007 17:23 #
irfanx
Member

1. If Al Qaeda can take the blame ofr 9/11 by cant they admit they killed Bhutto?
2. I Mushrraf can himself drag Dr AQ Khan in mud why would he kill BB if she wants to do the same. Instead the blame is gonna shift on BB isnt that good for MUSH?
3. Q League cant stand Nawaz not BB i dont think so they can even stand Qazi and i seriously doubt they have the gutts and intelligence to do such an act.
4. Why would US want to get into Pakistan we don't have oil we don't have skilled people we don't have anything and besides we are always ready to do US dirty work so why would they even bother?
5. Seriously RAW killed her after she gave away the list of Sikh Freedom fighters?

Posted 4 years ago on 31 Dec 2007 19:12 #