http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ PKPolitics Discuss Forum en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:01:26 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazir-income-support-program#post-301435 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:34:49 +0000 Zalaan 301435@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>then Zakaat money should be given to economy too . </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazir-income-support-program#post-301434 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:31:16 +0000 TanoliMns 301434@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Benazir Income support program is ka nam tau aisay rakha hay jaisay us kay Swiss accounts main say paisay logon main taqseem kar rahe hoon. </p> <p>BISP program sari industries bund karwa kar logon ko bheak dainay wali bat hay. Aisy Govt Support program sirf Marzoron aur umar rasida logon kay liye hotey hain jo National GDP main contribute karne kay kabil nahin hote. Inhion nay tau topi drama lagia hua hay. </p> <p>Is say kuch industries laga detay us say economic activity bhi generate hoti aur employment bhi barti. Logon ko basic amenities main subsidies detay aur income level barhanay say aik fard gar ka kei logon ko support kar sakta hai. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazir-income-support-program#post-301430 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:59:36 +0000 Zalaan 301430@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@asif65</p> <p>میں رٹا مارنے کی بات کر رہا تھا ،اگر میں کہتا کے یہودی مولوی کے بچے بھی توریت نو سال میں حفظ کر لیتے ہیں تو پھر آپ مجھے ان کا ایجینٹ کہتے </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazir-income-support-program#post-301424 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:31:58 +0000 asif65 301424@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <blockquote><p> بچے نو سال میں قران پاک حفظ کر لیتے ہیں ، انھیں بھی ناک صاف کرنا نہیں آتی ہے </p> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>This is the modified system of Zakaat </p></blockquote> <p>Zalaan is talking about Zakat and Quran. What hapend Zalaan? These words don't sute you. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazir-income-support-program#post-301422 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:15:36 +0000 Zalaan 301422@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>haha .... This is my honest opinion and what i have seen in the ground . </p> <p>You can check your self , all beneficiaries are on Nadra database and they have ATM cards and withdraw money directly . You can go to the branch of the bank where these poor people come every month to get their money and ask them .</p> <p>Opposition and Media is trying hard to show this as scam but unfortunately their wish still not fulfilled .</p> <p>O yes I know some people from Zia's "Zakaat committee" ,all of them below to Jamaat-e-Islami ..Andha Bantay raiwriyan apnay apnon ko </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazir-income-support-program#post-301420 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:08:32 +0000 oblivion 301420@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>zalaan<br /> I know it,The system is very transparent more than Zia"Zakaat System " because it uses name of Banezir instead of Zia.<br /> Isn't it some kind of political answer.<br /> ;) </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazir-income-support-program#post-301418 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:05:27 +0000 Zalaan 301418@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>This system is very transparent more then Zia's "Zakaat System " .there may be some flaws but most of the money are given to the right people . </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazir-income-support-program#post-301416 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:49:27 +0000 oblivion 301416@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>zalaan, </p> <blockquote><p>I support this program if the money reached to the poorest of the poor </p></blockquote> <p>It means you're not sure whether the money is reaching to the poorest or not. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazir-income-support-program#post-301415 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:42:47 +0000 Zalaan 301415@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>This is the modified system of Zakaat , Zakaat is for helping poor directly to the individual .<br /> I support this program if the money reached to the poorest of the poor </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazir-income-support-program#post-301406 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:07:03 +0000 Raavi 301406@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Yesterday, there was a news that 12 to 15 Lac spurious beneficiaries had been enjoying the BISP. Questions:<br /> 1 - In whose pocket went this money? Farzana Raja? Or with Mr. 100%?<br /> 2 - Why national media took it so lightly? No news in the newspapers today?<br /> 3 - Any action on this in future? Or Pakistani public simply should "stay calm"; sabr krain Allah karam karai ga.<br /> Qomi paisa gya hai yar aur kitni maddon men ja raha hai. Koi rone wala hi naheen.<br /> <em>Karwan ke dil se ehsas e zian jata raha</em><br /> Benazir zinda baad. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/of-narrative-strands-and-strings#post-258733 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:42:53 +0000 S.E.Mirza 258733@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Pakistan slipped deeper in turmoil since Musharraf handed over reins of power to Kiyani. Benazir had asked for Kiyani and Musharraf did what was being asked. Later this paved way for Zardari and his corrupt cronies to power, they still enjoy with Kiyani covertly moving strings in support to Zardari and his corrupt mafia. Kiyani should end his briefing-debriefing sessions from abroad and act like a true patriot, a soldier who cares for Pakistan and its integrity. If he does, much of hardship imposed on public by Zardari and his gang will certainly come to an end: </p> <p>Recent events in and around Pakistan have widened the fissures within a fragmenting Pakistani society. Sensationalism combined with opaqueness in policy has contributed to speculation and rumors mill tearing at the seams. If tweets, blogs and views of an educated liberal class of Pakistanis are a measure, the events are certainly taking Pakistan to the gallows with testimonies from our very own.</p> <p>Nothing more highlights the absence of an informed internal debate on the calculus of the National Power/National Interests or the pressing issues of national well being and nationism. At the governmental level, nothing positive and redeeming is happening. The war cabinet has never been commissioned. Defense Committee of Cabinet is ineffective and marred by divisions. The leadership environment in crises is nonexistent. Ruing such initiatives, I had written in ‘Rising Pakistan: A New Narrative’ that the media would soon relish an opportunity of sensationalism never witnessed before. It happened earlier than I expected.</p> <p>As regards Kakul, it is yet to be ascertained if there was complicity from within. As a combater, it is impossible for me to believe that Strategic Military Surprise had the nation confused for 24 hours. Refueling arrangements at Kala Dhaka lend credence to my complicity theory.</p> <p>The attack on Mehran Base was a bombshell with insufficient explanations. How was it possible that the terrorists achieved surprise? Did the local security in its rush cut off the route of withdrawal and trapped some militants while many others firing rockets into the aircrafts managed to escape undetected? Have the crossing points on the stream used by the militants been examined for any signs leading to a rendezvous? In addition, have all the empties of rockets fired at aircrafts been collected? Why were the terrorists allowed to pin down security forces for 17 hours and why ground combat troops held back? Where was the Joint Staff Headquarters with all its coordination? Unless these facts are known, the nation will continue to speculate and divide within.</p> <p>The murder of Syed Saleem Shahzad, the one-man team of investigative journalism needs to be investigated to meet the ends of justice and punish those who killed him most brutally. The incidence has provided the much needed impetus to the propaganda and media tirades of a certain segment who see the military and intelligence establishments of Pakistan as enemies and use the propaganda unleashed by the western media against its own establishment as gun powder.</p> <p>Lack of ‘need to know transparency’ at the ends of the armed forces and intelligence are providing space to both well meaning and ulterior motivated criticism of the armed forces. Why is it that suddenly the western media, White House critics, Pentagon, segments of political parties and some Pakistani media also join the same chorus?</p> <p>A national army cannot remain divorced from the events that take place around it. Inasmuch as the nation, the events narrated above must have definitely dented military morale crucial for a battlefield. They realize that unlike Swat, the entire nation is not behind them. Amidst this mist of events, half-truths, rhetoric and disinformation, they need a cause worth fighting for. In the backdrop of over 7000 casualties, many would be questioning if it were ever worth it and to what purpose. This is a most unsuitable environment to throw an army into large-scale counter insurgency operations when other pre requisites emanating from the civil sector are totally missing. In any army, soldiers fight through motivation and that is just what the army needs.</p> <p>Barawal Valley in Dir has been under constant conventional attacks launched from Kunar Afghanistan in the past few days. Earlier too, this sector had witnessed large-scale organized attacks. Why is this pressure being brought on the Northern Flank of Mohmand Agency again facing Kunar? What have the NATO Forces and Afghan Military done so far to stop such incursions and who keeps supplying these insurgents with reinforcements and logistics. It is no coincidence, that when the security forces carried out search and clearing operations in the past, the NATO Forces failed to provide the much needed anvil. The militants were able to escape from one side and enter from another. The same is also true of the South Waziristan Operations followed by the usual accusations from CENTCOM that Pakistani security forces lack the holding capacities in areas that they secure. Will future operations in FATA and PATA witness the same levels of coordination? If they do, it means nothing.</p> <p>Both USA and the Pentagon need to realize that in the military strategy the credibility of intent, clarity in mission and professionalism in execution cannot be over ruled by intelligence intrigues. All operations executed by Pakistan to first set its own house in order are to be supported through intelligence and the military anvil.</p> <p><strong>It appears that none of the Politicians in Pakistan realizes that the country is fighting a war against its own attrition. Grateful to an NRO that puts each one of them in power in some capacity, they are content to play their familiar politics and wait for the time when the security apparatus is decimated enough to give them absolute power.</strong> </p> <p>The President and the Prime Minister neither seem to share the security concerns of the establishment nor willing to visit the embattled field formations. The economic and other policies being implemented do not indicate that Pakistan is passing through its worse crises, nor enough to arrest the momentum of constant attrition. With the economy effectively rolled back, factionalism proliferating, growing urban terrorism and the defense establishment constantly embarrassed, the scene will inevitably shift to the heartland Punjab and expanses of simmering Balochistan. </p> <p>To stop this we all have to become Pakistan’s Pakistanis.<br /> It appears that the military leadership too has run out of ideas, primarily because its security narrative based on a two front war was deficient in addressing the issues arising out of militancy and US cooperation. The narrative lacked vital sociological inputs for a long drawn conflict. </p> <p>The assumptions that formed the important plank of the counter insurgency strategy were faulty. Having ceded initiative early on, it was never in a position to seize initiative crucial to a conflict. Its tactical military successes were never backed by viable and credible socio-political initiatives. In a faulty socio-politico-military calculus, there never was that civil backup to take over from where the military left.</p> <p>Given that, the same dispensations are likely to continue, so will the attrition. Much will depend on how USA treats Pakistan and how Pakistan’s leaders react.</p> <p>On its part, Pakistan must insist that it first needs to put its own house in order by defeating the militants within. This will take the form of selective operations based on accurate intelligence. The cost will be urban terrorism and heavy loss of life and infrastructure. At the same time, it must prevail upon Afghan groups amenable to it to negotiate peace. However, this part can only be ensured if the entire nation is united under a new national narrative.</p> <p><a href="http://sharafs.wordpress.com/2011/06/06/of-narrative-strands-and-strings/" rel="nofollow">http://sharafs.wordpress.com/2011/06/06/of-narrative-strands-and-strings/</a> </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-246256 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:45:31 +0000 saladin89 246256@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>The furure of PPP really depends whether we can get a free and fair election. If we can't then PPP will get majority in Sindh.</p> <p>So therefore as long as the system stay's the same, PPP next time round will be party No 2. </p> <p>Muslim Noon Nawaz sharif will become leader.</p> <p>But..............</p> <p>If there is a free and fair election i believe PTI will sweep the elections.............. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-246178 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:51:14 +0000 scindian 246178@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>This is first time the establishment and PPP are in hand in hands. I am scared . </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-246063 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:19:35 +0000 2011pakistan 246063@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>PPP never takes majority seats in elections therefore, always make alliances with small pressure groups to form government.<br /> I<br /> n this way, PPP and allies are at the same boat to loot and plunder the exchequer. So, they support each other.</p> <p>Being week in government they are fragile enough to play in the hands of political allies and establishment.</p> <p>Establishment always feel happy to enjoy with PPP to retain its power/policies after removing Dictators. (PPP govt after Yahya, after Zia, after Musharraf is example).This is actually revenge from the nation to install PPP corrupt govt after Army Dictators.</p> <p>Present establishment also enjoying full control in independent policy making regarding foreign policy, security policy, Finance etc.</p> <p>PPP leadership having established corrupt back ground was awarded NRO in the best interest of ever green Pakistan establishment. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-246035 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:47:06 +0000 hypocrite 246035@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>While the present and future of a political party depends on many factors, in my opinion following factors really have a major impact on the future of the party:</p> <p>a) Does the party have capable, competent, committed leadership, alternate leadership and potential future leadership.</p> <p>b) Does the party has a true vision.</p> <p>c) Can the party implement its true vision</p> <p>d) Can the party maintain its support base /vote bank.</p> <p>e) Can the party increase its support base / vote bank.</p> <p>f) Is the party interested in learning from its mistakes.</p> <p>I think on all the above counts, the PPP as it stands today , doesn’t have any future better than what it has got at present . The only way it can continue to have some value is not because PPP is different but because all the other parties also fare badly on the above counts.</p> <p>With a highly fragmented society, vote banks divided on ethnic, linguistic, religious, social and other basis and with so many parties in Pakistan, I doubt that in the next 5 ~ 10 years, any party will be able to attract the support of majority. </p> <p>PPP had the potential to be the party that can attract all segments of the society but it has failed to do so. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245824 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 01:17:30 +0000 bsobaid 245824@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I dont know how bright or dull PPP future will be. It depends on how the transition to bIlawal takes place, however I dont think PPP will die, this is a wishful thinking from siasi londay and zia baqiaat. Although I am not sure if PPP has the capability to solve Pakistan's problems. It may have a clear vision but I am not sure of their capabilities and dedication. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245768 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:12:53 +0000 oblivion 245768@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <blockquote><p>Death of PPP will ultimately be death of Pakistan.</p></blockquote> <p>PPP is in control of Zardari....... He is king of PPP, eating bananas like monkeys.... PPP is by now is a dead party.... </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245766 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:54:11 +0000 scindian 245766@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Dear all </p> <p>I repeat PPP is strategic compulsion for Pakistani urban elites, they cant help it and they cant to demolish it. Death of PPP will ultimately be death of Pakistan.</p> <p>Regarding PPP corruption, we all are corrupt and double faced people on earth.</p> <p>Double game<br /> ڈبل گیم کا نیم<br /> !</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/urdu/2011/05/post_723.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/urdu/2011/05/post_723.html</a></p> <p>Do read the comments of Najib r rehman from lahore </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245762 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:34:20 +0000 nsdap 245762@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>The urban middle classes can never comprehend how PPP wins so many votes despite so much humiliation.</p> <p>CONSTITUENCY POLITICS is THE NAME OF THE GAME.<br /> -------------------</p> <p>While we urban people continue to boil with anger, we can do nothing to stop PPP from winning. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245614 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 08:03:32 +0000 zingaro 245614@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I remember that once the poet Habib Jalib wrote as :</p> <p>سیباں دے پاء گنڈے وِکن<br /> کھدر دے پاء ملیشیا<br /> جی او فخرِ ایشیا<br /> جی او فخرِ ایشیا</p> <p>(Onion are being sold at the rate of apples, and cheap cloth at the rate of costly. Hail the pride of asia i.e. Mr. Bhutto)</p> <p>Although these days nothing attracts me because of one after another incident taking place in Pakistan but was really surprised to see this and similar thread here. I was really not expecting that AK will start doing these things. </p> <p>Despite of the above verses, I feel that Mr. Bhutto has a charismatic leadership qualities though he was himself a feudal lord inside. But none of the followers including his daughter were free from corruption. Benazir always bagged votes in the name of Mr. Bhutto merely. Why you guys are trying to fool the nation? Who killed Murtaza Bhutto? Shoaib Siddle was operation in-charge and every body knows how "Saaien" has awarded him. This party must cease to exist and the workers should find some reasonable and honest substitute. </p> <p>@AK .. the only vote which I did cast was for PPP once. I will not go in details as how much I know PPP. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245612 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 07:58:06 +0000 sasherwani 245612@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>PPP will always be known as the first ever real national party created by a very smart and energetic person - ZAB. I never agreed with his policies but I loved how he stood up for Pakistan in the international arena. He was a powerful leader with a lot of courage. BB too was a charismatic leader but comparing her to her dad would be unjust to ZABs legacy and competence. PPP doesn't really exist anymore as most of it's key members have left the party and it is now run by the most corrupt man in Pakistan - the man who is the butt of all political and corruption jokes for the past two decades. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245555 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:09:10 +0000 Gujjar Talwar 245555@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>PPP has been a formidable political force for the last four decades but its future is not so clear. Today's party is nowhere near its founding ideology of leftist populist programs. Its chrismatic leaders, Z. A. Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto, are gone. </p> <p>It is now headed by Mr Zardari who is anything but chrismatic. He is successfully keeping its party cadres in line because of glitter of power but it is an open question which direction it will take when their current mandate expires.</p> <p>In all likelihood, it may unravel in the next elections because of lack of leadership and its dismal performance in office. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245508 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:28:42 +0000 bsobaid 245508@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I agre, ppp is the only national party with genuine support and representation in all provinces of pakistan and it has a strategic vision whc does not change or something they try to hide. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245507 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:27:11 +0000 SAR 245507@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>IK will get chilllur votes in most of the constituencies he will nominate his contenders, might win some seats in upper punjab and KP. nawaz's naeeya will finally, hopefully, drown. pmlq will grow. anp will loose. mqm will grow more. jui will be as it is. ppp will loose less, but will remain the biggest party. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245483 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:53:34 +0000 Just_one 245483@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>First of all, I disagree with the basic premise: PPP is necessary for Pakistan.</p> <p>Absolutely not. Parties come and go, it is the nations who matter. </p> <p>Basically, this claim is made on the basis that PPP neutralizes Sindhi separatist sentiment. But if the solution of this problem lies in giving power to corrupt elements from Sindh (which PPP has turned into) then this is no solution.</p> <p>The solution of such sentiments lie in justice for all, economic development and provincial autonomy. When the people realize that the future of their children is better associated with Pakistani state than any other phenomenon, these sentiments would die out. </p> <p>PPP is then a heroine that causes temporary relief, but actually further worsens the state of affairs. </p> <p>For decades, PPP has become a conglomerate of corrupts. It has embraced everything that is problematic with Pakistan: feudalism, militancy, nepotism, corruption, electoral fraud and rigging, etc.</p> <p>I have always maintained that, contrary to the premise of this thread, the rise of Pakistan lies in the demise of PPP and PMLN.</p> <p>Everything I have said applies to PMLN also with some differences.</p> <p>These two parties represent everything that is bad with Pakistan. They are mafias that have hijacked politics in Pakistan. They are enterprises designed for the corrupts and rouge elements of the society.</p> <p>If you are a criminal with sufficient money and influence, you can enter any of these two enterprises and then you will be completely safe!</p> <p>This is the reality of these two parties.</p> <p>No ethnic argument should be accepted. PPP is the biggest enemy of Sindhis, whom it had kept under brutal feudalism. PPP gets fuel form the misery of interior Sindh, how it can alleviate it? </p> <p>Thus these two parties, PPP and PMLN should be rejected with full force by the Pakistani public in all the provinces. The good politicians among these parties should join other parties or should at least start a campaign to reform these family parties.</p> <p>As to the question, the future of PPP does look bleak as Zardari have shown the true face of it to the public in the last three years. </p> <p>But it is for the good of Pakistan, not the opposite as the poster premised. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245480 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:37:24 +0000 Scandinavian 245480@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>"However I assure you that it will be still biggest party in next elections."</p> <p>The biggest party of cry babies. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245477 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:32:43 +0000 ExPosed 245477@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>پچھلے الیکشن میں تو کٹی مر گی تھی تو اس کی ہمدردی کے ووٹ لئے اب کیا سور مرے گا؟ اور پلیاں آ کر رو کر ووٹ لیں گی؟<br /> اب اگر اس حد تک جانا چاہتے ہو تو ایسے ہی سہی. ہر تھریڈ میں ایک ہی جیسی باتیں .<br /> اب اینٹ کا جواب پتھر سے ملے گا </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245473 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:17:27 +0000 Anwer Kamal 245473@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I was not started it for supporting PPP but to discuss.<br /> However I assure you that it will be still biggest party in next elections.<br /> Their number can be some less but much more than new puppet </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245431 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:00:31 +0000 Scandinavian 245431@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@AK</p> <p>The chain that held together Pakistan has rusted i.e. for no use any more. ZAB had his faults, but over all he was a leader who had a vision for Pakistan, but all the following leaders of PPP has all been bad for Pakistan. Maybe BB had good intentions, but she was surrounded by crooks and could never become a good leader for Pakistan. Whatever was left has been destroyed by the Zardaris, Gillanis etc. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245426 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:50:20 +0000 ExPosed 245426@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>بی بی تو اتنی بہادر تھی کہ اس ملک کو لوٹنے میں اپنا ثانی نہیں رکھتی تھی. اس پی پی نے مجیب کو حقیر جان کر اقدار نہیں دیا لیکن ملک توڑ دیا. اور اسی پی پی کی لگائی آگ آج بلوچستان میں اپنا رنگ دکھا رہی ہے. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245422 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:45:32 +0000 LifeH2O 245422@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@anwar kamal<br /> Get Well soon :) </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245418 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:37:47 +0000 SAR 245418@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>i agree with anwer kamal......<br /> the two bhuttos were great assets for pakistan.</p> <p>they were also corrupt but they were much better than nawaz and other comparable, (not justifiably though) names<br /> it is sad what is happening with the party, and its partly the responsibility of some close aides of the 2 good bhuttos... why did they keep quiet when benazir was assassinated? and why did they not give the party leadership to some credible, deserving person????</p> <p>i wish fatima bhutto makes an entry in active politics and joins the "party that was made at the grass root level"! </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245391 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:31:59 +0000 Rizwan Qaimkhani 245391@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>PPP is now Shaheed Peoples Party, probably there is need for changing the name as there are rows of shaheedains. Besides those who were left behind after every shaheed (the opportunists) looted the country with both hands, they are shameless bunch who say on national TV that corruption is their right since they sacrificed for the party.What Mr Scindian has posted as an excerpt from his book clearly shows how Bhutto manipulated and used the 'Sindh card' for creating his empire. With apologetically speaking, Bhutto was no different than Sadam, Hafiz-ul-Asad or Ghaddafi in his dealings, hence he reaped what he sowed. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245376 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:54:28 +0000 salaudin 245376@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>PPP is a pain in the @$$ for Pakistan. There future looks bleak and I hope it ceases to exist very soon.<br /> Calling it a "strategic asset" is a cruel joke. PPP's higher leadership has always been anti-Pakistanis and pro-personal-banks-accounts. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245374 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:48:04 +0000 scindian 245374@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Mr Bhutto in his book Says</p> <p>When I became the President of Pakistan, the Sindhu Desh<br /> movement was at its height. Slowly but substantially, in the five and a half years of my control over Pakistan, I neutralized this sentiment and brought the thought of the youth more within the mainstream of Pakistani nationalism. In the elections of 1970, my party, which carried the national message, defeated the god of the Sindhu Desh<br /> movement by more than thirty thousand votes in his own<br /> constituency. It was a tremendous achievement to stamp out the fire of the Sindhu Desh movement. I repeat, it was a very powerful movement. </p> <p>I have been told, and I am not surprised, that its revival is taking place at great speed. It appears that in the last twelve months, </p> <p><a href="http://bhutto.org/Acrobat/Dearest_Daughter%5B1%5D.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://bhutto.org/Acrobat/Dearest_Daughter%5B1%5D.pdf</a></p> <p>Book Name "If I am assassinated" Page number 54 paragraph 2 </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245372 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:35:27 +0000 scindian 245372@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Ye S.E Mirza is right</p> <p> only mentally retard person consider it just Party actually PPP is strategic asset for Pakistan and have always protected from Pakistani Estaran and southern boundaries rebels. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245371 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:34:51 +0000 Anwer Kamal 245371@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Some time there is nothing but to laugh.<br /> I was thinking of some seriousness but I feel that one who can support IK ,I shall not expect any seriousness from him. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245355 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:52:33 +0000 S.E.Mirza 245355@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Only mental retards will consider ppp as a party it used to be once upon a time. Come on, wake up and smell the coffee! </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/future-of-pakistan-peoples-party#post-245351 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:47:55 +0000 Anwer Kamal 245351@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>It is very important to think of future of Pakistan Peoples Party which is on stake now.<br /> Peoples party is still biggest party of Pakistan and its being in tact is very necessary because it is the biggest binding chain for Pakistan but present ruling elite has changed it to a party like a PML after Qauid e Azam.<br /> This Party was founded by great Qauid e awam Fakhr e Asia Shaheed Zulfkar Ali Bhutto who sacrificed his life for the nation.<br /> After him his brave daughter Shaheed Benazir Bhutto struggled a lot but she was too assassinated and pro establishment figures took control of this great institution.<br /> I welcome comments of all. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223884 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:25:06 +0000 iamsowise 223884@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Musharaf's philosophy<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H87NPPalVik&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H87NPPalVik&amp;feature=related</a> </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223867 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:23:50 +0000 Anwer Kamal 223867@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>لگے رہو </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223864 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:12:33 +0000 Thought Felon 223864@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Tou chacha ji Bilawal kya pahar ukaar lay ga?</p> <p>Is nay tou Zohair Toru ko bhi peechay chor diya, LOL</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2w4mlbvuI4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2w4mlbvuI4</a> </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223862 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:09:13 +0000 Anwer Kamal 223862@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>شائد </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223861 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:06:45 +0000 Thought Felon 223861@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Peoples party walay boltay kuyun nahi hain pir? </p> <p>Jab Bhutto ko phansi hui tay tab bhi chup thay aaj bhi chup hain!!!</p> <p>Bas Bilawal ka intezar ker rahay hain!! </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223858 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:04:12 +0000 Anwer Kamal 223858@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>کرسی کا لالچ اور اقتدار بہت برے ہوتے ہیں بہت کچھ جانتے ہیں یہ لوگ اور مش بھی جانتا ہے مگر<br /> ............<br /> Many in media. Many other well informed people all knew well.<br /> There is a group more powerful. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223851 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:54:50 +0000 Salam 223851@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>یعنی پھر آپ کی رائے اور زرداری کی رائے ایک ہے، جس کے مطابق قاتلوں کو تو کب کی سزا مل چکی</p> <p>میرے خیال میں تو زرداری، بابر اعوان، رحمٰن ملک اور کچھ اور اندر کے لوگ جانتے ہیں اور اپنے مفادات کی خاطر حقیقت پر پردہ ڈال رکھا ہے </p> <p>قاتل تو جرنل مشرف ہی تھا، اور کچھ بی بی کے ساتھی ساتھ ملے ہوے تھے </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223843 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:29:37 +0000 Anwer Kamal 223843@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>میری رائے ہمیشہ سے مختلف ہے - 18 اکتوبر اور 27 دسمبر دونوں کا مقصد بینظر کا قتل نہیں تھا ان کا مقصد اس کی سیاسی سرگرمیوں کو روکنا تھا اور اسکے پس پردہ سیاسی اور مالی مفادات دونوں تھے -<br /> امریکہ یا پاکستان دونوں میں سیاستدان ایسے فیصلے نہیں کرتے </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223839 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:17:31 +0000 Salam 223839@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>انور بھائی لگتا ہے کہ پھر آپ جانتے ہیں کہ کون قاتل ہے؟</p> <p>کیا جرنل مشرف اور کنڈا لیزا رائس کی ملی بھگت تھی؟ </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223646 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:33:31 +0000 Anwer Kamal 223646@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>اصل مرکزی کردار تو یہ خود نہیں ہے<br /> رحمان ملک اور کچھ ساتھی جیسے شہنشاہ کوکچھ علم ہونا ممکن ہے<br /> بہرحال قاتلوں کو بچانے کی پوری کوشش یہ شخص کر رہا ہے </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/benazirs-assassins-arrested-claims-rm#post-223628 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:26:30 +0000 Salam 223628@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>اصل مرکزی کردار تو یہ خود ہے، قتل والے دن کے بیانات دیکھئے اور سب واضح ہو جائے گا</p> <p>مرکزی کردار رحمان ملک اور کچھ ساتھی جیسے شہنشاہ، باقیوں کو علم ہے جیسے بابر اعوان اور زرداری </p>